materials for ceiling and wall?....

[danik]

hello everyone, i was looking for wood materials to be used in our house particularly in ceiling and wall, ano ba maganda gamitin in terms of cost and durability? hardiflex b? or plywood? eh ung mga lumber na ggmitin ko? kailangan ba treated lahat? ???

[yetbo]

hello everyone, i was looking for wood materials to be used in our house particularly in ceiling and wall, ano ba maganda gamitin in terms of cost and durability? hardiflex b? or plywood? eh ung mga lumber na ggmitin ko? kailangan ba treated lahat? ???


my contractor recommened gypsum board...hindi daw masusunog or aanayin...

[opzuk4x4]

hello everyone, i was looking for wood materials to be used in our house particularly in ceiling and wall, ano ba maganda gamitin in terms of cost and durability? hardiflex b? or plywood? eh ung mga lumber na ggmitin ko? kailangan ba treated lahat? ???
For framing, metal furrings are ok since it is termite proof and easy to install.......for ceiling boards, either use fiber cement or gypsum board(preferably not china made).....plywood is still plausible.....never ever use magnesium boards....waste of money and time.

[ernie_serrano]

best pa din to use steel frame finished with gypsum board for interior walls and ceiling. you get the smooth professional finish pa after painting it.

[guad]

How about Omniboard, anyone tried this?

http://www.omniboard.net/

[zoinks]

can you guys introduce me to someone that has a knowledge in the installation of metal furrings for ceilings?

thanks

[pigarotti]

has anybody tried using gypsum for their bathroom walls? i'm installing them kasi.. what do i need to paint on it para hindi masira agad sa moisture? thanks :)

[ernie_serrano]

i suggest you use MR, moisture resistant gypsum board by Boral. then i would paint it with elastomeric paint para mas matibay. personally i would use cement board by Hardiflex, but they do use gypsum board sa bathroom. thats how we do it sa states before.

[bbaaddoo]

am thinking of using ALUMINUM SHEETS for covering our wall ng 75yo spanish house namin than hardiflex or gypsum dahil cheaper sya, ok din ba ito kasi ang dami ko nang nakikita sa tagaytay ganito ang ginagawa? napipinturahan ba ang aluminum sheets?

[opzuk4x4]

am thinking of using ALUMINUM SHEETS for covering our wall ng 75yo spanish house namin than hardiflex or gypsum dahil cheaper sya, ok din ba ito kasi ang dami ko nang nakikita sa tagaytay ganito ang ginagawa? napipinturahan ba ang aluminum sheets?

Yes it can be painted, a proper prep is required tho'. HTH!

[jojoR.]

i suggest you use MR, moisture resistant gypsum board by Boral. then i would paint it with elastomeric paint para mas matibay. personally i would use cement board by Hardiflex, but they do use gypsum board sa bathroom. thats how we do it sa states before.

regarding the price, hardiflex & gypsum board, which is cheaper?

[ernie_serrano]

there are basically 3 kinds of gypsum board, we have the standard core, the moisture resistant and the fire stop. regarding the question about the price

price between hardiflex 4.5 against standard core 12mm = standrd core cheaper per sq.m

price between hardiflex 4.5 against 13mm moisture resistant = hardiflex is cheaper.

pero yung painted finish difference, id always vote for gypsum board.

we are introducing a new product, its a cement board, id say far better than Hardiflex, imported from thailand and zero percent asbestos. i still have to master the art of patching the joints for this board before we venture sa installation as we guarantee our work. syempre ayoko din mapahiya.

[angelo]

My house is made of steel trusses, then ung plan ko na ilagay na ceiling is wood and plywood (marine) ok lang po ba ito?

[ajlewie]

My house is made of steel trusses, then ung plan ko na ilagay na ceiling is wood and plywood (marine) ok lang po ba ito?

That would be just fine. But why dwell on wood for your ceiling when you could use metal furring and gypsum or ficem board?less labor, easier to paint unlike in plywood, termite proof, lightweight and fire proof..best of all, much cheaper...:)

[guad]

How about bamboo. Handmade by local carpenters or ready-made laminated. If only there was a source of laminated bamboo competitive in price with plywood. Of course, any bamboo would have to be treated, and would not be fireproof.


we are introducing a new product, its a cement board, id say far better than Hardiflex, imported from thailand and zero percent asbestos. i still have to master the art of patching the joints for this board before we venture sa installation as we guarantee our work. syempre ayoko din mapahiya.

Could that stand repeated unscrewing and rescrewing without the screw holes loosening, or is it brittle like Hardiflex and meant for one-time install only?

[beenretired]

can you guys introduce me to someone that has a knowledge in the installation of metal furrings for ceilings?

thanks

I know how. I worked at AVD Marketing Corporation and did so many projects. just email me [email protected] ([email protected])

[timber715]

I know how. I worked at AVD Marketing Corporation and did so many projects. just email me [email protected] ([email protected])

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[Neo]

For framing, metal furrings are ok since it is termite proof and easy to install.......for ceiling boards, either use fiber cement or gypsum board(preferably not china made).....plywood is still plausible.....never ever use magnesium boards....waste of money and time.

The second floor of my house would have the same. Metal furring and cement fiber board. But my developer uses Flexboard. They say it's just the same as Hardiflex. Just different brand.

Any feedback on Flexboard?

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd429/NeoMatrix2/ceiling1.jpg

[guad]

But my developer uses Flexboard. They say it's just the same as Hardiflex. Just different brand. Any feedback on Flexboard?

Flexboard contains asbestos. Advertising clearly says 'chrysotile fiber cement board' but does not tell you that chrysotile = white asbestos. Eterton rep confirmed that Flexboard has asbestos, but said that he did not know what kind.

http://business.inquirer.net/money/columns/view/20080910-159701/Asbestos

Hardiflex does not contain asbestos, according to the MSDS found on an Australian website, which applies to what is sold in PH, according to a rep at James Hardie Philippines.

[Neo]

Flexboard contains asbestos. Advertising clearly says 'chrysotile fiber cement board' but does not tell you that chrysotile = white asbestos. Eterton rep confirmed that Flexboard has asbestos, but said that he did not know what kind.

http://business.inquirer.net/money/columns/view/20080910-159701/Asbestos

Hardiflex does not contain asbestos, according to the MSDS found on an Australian website, which applies to what is sold in PH, according to a rep at James Hardie Philippines.

Salamat, Sir Guad, for the info. I was a bit a alarmed upon reading the first sentence. My first thought was to replace the Flexboard with Hardiflex. Good thing that Chrysotile is the asbestos that's in Flexboard. Even the writer in the Inquirer article, Honesto General, has unknowingly used asbestos cement sheets with chrysotile. Seems that he has not replaced them.

[joey81]

Salamat, Sir Guad, for the info. I was a bit a alarmed upon reading the first sentence. My first thought was to replace the Flexboard with Hardiflex. Good thing that Chrysotile is the asbestos that's in Flexboard. Even the writer in the Inquirer article, Honesto General, has unknowingly used asbestos cement sheets with chrysotile. Seems that he has not replaced them.

No, Neo. You should be alarmed. Asbestos in whatever form is dangerous. I'm unable to post a link right now but please lookup chrysotile in wikipedia.

[joey81]

Salamat, Sir Guad, for the info. I was a bit a alarmed upon reading the first sentence. My first thought was to replace the Flexboard with Hardiflex. Good thing that Chrysotile is the asbestos that's in Flexboard. Even the writer in the Inquirer article, Honesto General, has unknowingly used asbestos cement sheets with chrysotile. Seems that he has not replaced them.

No, Neo. You should be alarmed. Asbestos in whatever form is dangerous. I'm unable to post a link right now but please lookup chrysotile in wikipedia.

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[Neo]

No, Neo. You should be alarmed. Asbestos in whatever form is dangerous. I'm unable to post a link right now but please lookup chrysotile in wikipedia.

Salamat, Sir joey81. I've looked it up. If chrysotile really poses a hazard to health when it is a component of some construction material like Flexboard, why is it that it still being allowed for use here?

Would it be a good idea then, to ask my developer to replace the Flexboard with Hardiflex? Construction is not on the second floor ceiling yet where Flexboard would be installed. Hopefully they would allow this change.

[moji]

Salamat, Sir joey81. I've looked it up. If chrysotile really poses a hazard to health when it is a component of some construction material like Flexboard, why is it that it still being allowed for use here?

Sadly safety regulations here are not up to speed with those of more advanced countries. Just look at our local paints, its only now that they are starting to not use lead while in the US it has been banned (if im not mistaken) since the 60's.

[Neo]

Sadly safety regulations here are not up to speed with those of more advanced countries. Just look at our local paints, its only now that they are starting to not use lead while in the US it has been banned (if im not mistaken) since the 60's.

I guess I have to ask the developer to replace the Flexboard with Hardiflex. Or if it is not possible, I would ask them not to install the Flexboard ceiling, and I'll have my renovation contractor to install the Hardiflex instead.

[thepossessed]

sorry to butt in.. but i have same inquiry, i mean im doing extra rooms in our house.. so im going to build ceiling and walls.

after reading previous post.. I think i will go for gypsum board.

May I ask, what is the price range of gypsum board?

Also, is the metal framing or not sure how its called.. cheaper that using 2x2 wood?

I live in Valenzuela, can you recommend the best place to buy this supplies?

Thanks a lot.

[silent_loud]

Hi just new here
Go for hardiflex yung 1/4" in size just like mine. Even if you accidentally hammered ok lang. Then use textured paint in finishing available in anyhardware... outcome hard like a rock.

[timmy09]

hi new here.. I have a question since napagusapan na din ang asbestos from flexboard. Ung inorder ko kasi hardiflex pero ang dumating ay flexboard same lang daw un. Sabi sa hardware store wala daw asbestos ung flexboard na locally made bawal na daw kasi un. But I still insist na palitan ng hardiflex. Can somebody confirm on this para mapalitan ko na kagad? thanks. pang kwarto sana ng baby

[joey81]

hi new here.. I have a question since napagusapan na din ang asbestos from flexboard. Ung inorder ko kasi hardiflex pero ang dumating ay flexboard same lang daw un. Sabi sa hardware store wala daw asbestos ung flexboard na locally made bawal na daw kasi un. But I still insist na palitan ng hardiflex. Can somebody confirm on this para mapalitan ko na kagad? thanks. pang kwarto sana ng baby

Have replaced! Insist on getting the one you ordered. Gusto ka lang isahan ng supplier.

http://ibuildph.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/FlexBoard1_Wall.jpg

Their flyer screams "chrysotile".

Kung sa akin ginawa 'yan mawawalan na ako ng tiwala sa supplier and I wouldn't buy from them anymore. Di bale nang mapamahal nang konti kaysa naman niloloko ako.

[timmy09]

thanks for the advice. akala ko kasi totoo sabi niya na ala na talaga asbestos ung made dito.

[guad]

Looks like at least three bills have been recently proposed, but none have been passed yet. One in Senate (741 (http://www.senate.gov.ph/lis/bill_res.aspx?congress=14&q=SBN-741), "Ban Asbestos Act of 2007") and two in House (479 (http://www.congress.gov.ph/download/basic_15/HB00479.pdf) and 896 (http://www.congress.gov.ph/download/basic_15/HB00896.pdf), both called "Ban Asbestos Act of 2010") now requiring consolidation. I don't know why there is so much duplicate work being done by the lawmakers.

Excerpt from one of the House bills, on the current situation:

In the Philippines, the current policy is one of control by regulation of the use and disposal of asbestos products. There is a ban on crocidolite or blue asbestos and amosite or brown asbestos, while the use of chrysolite or white asbestos is not banned which is permitted in high density products such as fire proofing, clothing, roofing felts or related products, asbestos cement roofing and flat sheet, friction materials, high temperature textile products, etc. While there is much room for improvement insofas as this policy itself is concerned, it is also noteworthy that the current regulations are either weak, poorly implemented, or both. Recent statistics show that Philippines is the fourth largest importer of asbestos at 76.32 million dollars per year.

I thought that all or most of the chrysotile (= white asbestos) like Eterton's Flexboard brand and others is coming from China, but apparently Canada is the culprit this time ... banning asbestos in their own country but exporting it to the Philippines:

Manila, Philippines: House Committee Approves Asbestos Ban Bills (http://www.gban.net/?p=1758)

Canada Refused to Allow Asbestos to be Put on United Nations List of Hazardous Substances (http://www.gban.net/?p=1883)

Canada hit for exporting deadly asbestos to Philippines, other nations (http://www.interaksyon.com/article/5773/canada-hit-for-exporting-deadly-asbestos-to-philippines-other-nations)

http://www.gban.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/canadian_asbestos-185x300.png

[zepol]

Thanks for the tip. Was about to order some flexboard. Kaya pala it's 50 pesos cheaper than hardiflex per board. Asbestos is dangerous, especially considering that carpenters frequently use an angle grinder for cutting the cement boards, creating so much fine dust.