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joey
12-06-2008, 07:31 PM
i already have drill, sander, circular saw and mini router.(Makita 3700b no Accessories)

i saw a Table Saw MAC Master brand for P2,900 and router table for P3,500 (GMC Brand?) is this good?

I'm planning to do woodworking. Newbie lang po mga sir. planning to makeover our kitchen, build dining table, chairs, and living room couch. (might also consider a bedroom makeover)

bbn
12-08-2008, 07:21 AM
Hi Joey. Welcome to the forum.

Don't get me wrong, I've the tools you are looking for, in fact too many of them, but this not really really by choice because usually I like building tools as well. Anyway let answer your questions.

I've not really seen the table saw you mentioned but the price seems pretty good. If the top is cast aluminum, not bent sheet metal, I'd say it is probably a good choice. Some table saws, I've seen recently, have these blade guards but on the one occasion that I used such a table, I did not really like it. The zero clearance feature, the thing that keeps the workpiece from binding to the blade, is a good thing to have.

I may have the router table you are considering. Is this the one that would sit on top of your workbench? If so, the only thing is make sure you can clamp it down.

By the way, you may want to consider just building these things. My first router table was homebuilt and it served me well for many years. In fact, I still use the router fence I made for it.

[ADDED]

GMC is an Australian brand. I would classify it as a good home-use-only brand. If you plan to do heavy frequent work then go for the commercial brands like Makita. Also, GMC tools here are mostly returns or inventory overruns or obsolete stock so make sure you test the tool or are willing to fix any problems you encounter.

I have a lot of GMC tools, I used to sell them is why. They're ok at least for my use.

joey
12-08-2008, 03:07 PM
Thank you Sir lncc63,

I have no experience sa pagbili ng ganitong mga gamit at im very thankful po at merong forum na ganito. well anyway can you give me some advice to which tools should i buy? or better yet baka meron po kayong for sale. can you give me # pwede akong tumawag or address para makita at mainspired sa mga Tools niyo sir?


thanks,

joey...

bbn
12-08-2008, 04:19 PM
Like I said Joey, those prices are not bad at all ... for the router table assuming a router is included. I'm still however of the opinion that the better route is to make your own first. Most of the real pros construct their own. Try going to a nearby sash factory ... but also try not to pickup their "quick and dirty" practices.

The important point with respect to a table saw is that it is stable - meaning heavy and stiff. Mostly I use my table saw for cutting lengthwise though on occasion I also use it for cross cuts and taper cuts. The most important accessory for a table saw is the fence. This should also be solid. Also, you should be able to clamp it to the table solidly. One thing I wish I had on my table saw is a quick and easy alignment means. I've yet to however see a commercial home-only-use table saw fence as solid as my fence which is just made from 3/4" plywood. For cross cutting you should have a miter fence and this comes standard.

Other important accessories are feather boards and pushsticks. These are nothing complicated, easy to make, but EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to avoid loosing your figers.

The same pretty much goes for router tables. Do a search there are a good many free plans out there. The other thing with routers and router tables is that you'll need bits. My suggestion is to get a set so the per-bit cost is lower. You can then just buy replacements of the bits that you will most often use. Don't go for HSS bits, they're not worth it IMHO. Carbide is by far the better buy.

joey
12-08-2008, 05:52 PM
ok sir will consider that. but do remember that i have a little knowledge about woodworks. making this table (saw or router) would be difficult for me unless you thought me how. like DIY instruction manual. a picture of your tables would be much appreciated sir.

thanks,
joey



PS: somebody's selling a Delta Table Saw model 36-540 (110 volts) 10' Saw with 3 extension plate for 9,500 pesos. is this a bargain price?

the router table is already sold. well i guess i have to hunt or build a new one....

JayL
12-09-2008, 06:55 AM
http://www.toolseeker.com/WdWkMac/Tablesaw/36-540.asp?var1=36-540

bbn
12-09-2008, 07:26 AM
First, I would not buy a 110v table saw. There are already many 220v models that are affordable. Don't get me wrong but there are a good many MIC (Made In China) brands that are already give comparable quality.

No experience ... hmmm ... well everyone started with no experience so no need to worry. You already have what is takes -- interest. Add a little patience and determination and your set as far as I'm concerned.

I suggest you practice with the tools you have. You can really do a lot with your existing set. Good things to practice on are a workbench and two or more saw horses. You can't go wrong with these projects. Just Google for them.

As for DIY plans, as I've said there are quite a few plans on the net. Some are free and some you'll have to pay for. Frankly, though I suggest you study how a tool is used, then what is available commercially, and finally conjure up your own. This is also a lot of fun. All this information is again on the net.

I'll try to snap some pictures of my stuff at home and post them.

What hand tools do you already have?

joey
12-09-2008, 08:19 AM
First, I would not buy a 110v table saw. There are already many 220v models that are affordable. Don't get me wrong but there are a good many MIC (Made In China) brands that are already give comparable quality.

No experience ... hmmm ... well everyone started with no experience so no need to worry. You already have what is takes -- interest. Add a little patience and determination and your set as far as I'm concerned.

I suggest you practice with the tools you have. You can really do a lot with your existing set. Good things to practice on are a workbench and two or more saw horses. You can't go wrong with these projects. Just Google for them.

As for DIY plans, as I've said there are quite a few plans on the net. Some are free and some you'll have to pay for. Frankly, though I suggest you study how a tool is used, then what is available commercially, and finally conjure up your own. This is also a lot of fun. All this information is again on the net.

I'll try to snap some pictures of my stuff at home and post them.

What hand tools do you already have?

thank you again sir!

i'm now downloading some plans like workbench and table plan for router and saw.

i already have Black & Decker (700w) drill, Makita sander, Black & Decker 7 1/4 circular saw and mini router.(Makita 3700b no Accessories)

bbn
12-09-2008, 08:26 AM
Congratulations ... watch out though, there is a real danger of not being able to decided what to do or taking on something you're not quite ready for. A workbench needs to be well thought out. You are going to be using it for a very long time. Start with saw horses, maybe some shelves to store your tools.

Joey, I was asking what HAND tools you have. Power tools are great, essential even for some like myself, but hand tools are essential just the same.

joey
12-09-2008, 09:25 AM
Congratulations ... watch out though, there is a real danger of not being able to decided what to do or taking on something you're not quite ready for. A workbench needs to be well thought out. You are going to be using it for a very long time. Start with saw horses, maybe some shelves to store your tools.

Joey, I was asking what HAND tools you have. Power tools are great, essential even for some like myself, but hand tools are essential just the same.


ohhh im sorry (embarrassed) i have a hand saw, some chisels, pile, level, inch/metric ruler, tape measure, screwdriver, clamps, pliers, hammer (metal and rubber),spoke shave.

bbn
12-09-2008, 09:40 AM
Looks like you're set. The only things missing are a carpenter's square, a bevel square, a hand plane, and a wet stone (if you'll do your own sharpening).

Here's a tip that a pro gave me a long time ago: use small and light hand tools. They are easier to control especially for us who do not get in that much practice.

For example, find a light hammer. Typical hammers are good for driving 3" nails into 2x4s but for say cabinet work you want something you can control and not put dents into your masterpiece.

Store saws present the same problem. Observe any cabinet maker and you'll see he uses a small light saw. Actually those saws are big saws that were cut in two. You might find one in the hardware stores but you can also look in the sharpening shops.

joey
12-09-2008, 06:49 PM
Looks like you're set. The only things missing are a carpenter's square, a bevel square, a hand plane, and a wet stone (if you'll do your own sharpening).

Here's a tip that a pro gave me a long time ago: use small and light hand tools. They are easier to control especially for us who do not get in that much practice.

For example, find a light hammer. Typical hammers are good for driving 3" nails into 2x4s but for say cabinet work you want something you can control and not put dents into your masterpiece.

Store saws present the same problem. Observe any cabinet maker and you'll see he uses a small light saw. Actually those saws are big saws that were cut in two. You might find one in the hardware stores but you can also look in the sharpening shops.

It's a bit pricey for the stanley square but i guess i have to settle for this because the other brand like Eagle, Lotus, Tramontina is not aligned . im still scouting for hand plane though.

i bought a big hand saw for long cutting and the small one for finishing edges. also i bought a small hammer and big hammer.

thank you sir for that tip, ill do that for other tools i'm going to buy.

bbn
12-10-2008, 08:17 AM
"Pricey Stanley square" - I agree but like you I bit the bullet and bought one. I can't read the graduations anymore but I've really never had a need to anyway. As you said, the important thing is that it is true.

If you get the chance, also buy a Japanese pull saw. These are PRICEY, I paid about P1k for a set with one replacement blade several years ago, but I am absolutely of the opinion that they are worth every centavo. They are far superior to any Western push saw in every aspect, again IMHO (in my humble opinion).

So good luck Joey. I look forward to seeing your next project.

JayL
12-10-2008, 09:01 AM
I agree with both of you . The Stanley Square is a good buy even if it's pricey. I bought one too.

lncc63 : What's good about the Japanese pull saw and where can we buy these?

Thanks

bbn
12-10-2008, 09:31 AM
Attached are images of the pull saw I have for those that have not seen one.

Japanese pull saws cut on the pull stroke rather than the push stroke. Since it is cutting when you pull, the blade is in tension which not only causes it to be straight but also does not suffer from buckling. Now because it will never buckle the blade can be extremely thin allowing very precise cuts to be made.

The quality of the teeth is another thing. Admittedly, I've never really put much effort into knowing the reasons however I can tell you guys from experience that I've seen nothing that can compare. One time I split an 18 foot long pole, cutting through about 1-1/2" of wood, with my saw. The saw made surprisingly easy work of this task.

The "complaint" I have is that you can't resharpen the blade. Then again it took about 3 years for me to "use up" the two blades I have and ask my Japanese friend to buy me replacement blades.

Check them out http://www.z-saw.co.jp

JayL
12-10-2008, 10:02 AM
Thanks for the Info on the Jap saw. This is the first time I saw one.

OT: I'm also planning to build a set of Saw Horses and would need 9 pcs 2 x 4 x 8 to do this. However I am afraid that the horses will be very heavy when done. Is there a light type of wood in 2 x 4 ?

Here is the plan I am considering:

http://woodworking.about.com/od/shopequipmentsupplies/ss/woodSawhorses.htm

Thanks again.

bbn
12-10-2008, 11:15 AM
Use pine wood, bro. Cheap and light. Also 2x4s for the legs is a bit overkill. I have two build from 2x4.

I have a design of saw horse that the 30 year veteran boat builder who made it claims is the best ever. I can't really say if it is the best but the design is really good. Now I build all my saw horses this way. The design is in a book at home. I'll try to post it soon.

[ADDED]
Went through the whole step-by-step, and just noticed the design allows horses to be stacked - neat. The design I have will not allow that but I've never really had to stack them.

The only big thing I don't like about this design is the I-beam is constructed of several pieces with the nails taking a lot of the load. I'd use screws and a good amount of glue for the I-beam. It is simple though to construct. In my saw horses, I cut a notch in the beam for the legs to rest in. Also the legs are angled in two three dimensions which makes it stable wherever the load is applied to the beam.

joey
12-11-2008, 12:26 AM
so anyone selling Table saw? or should i build one for my self? wheres the plan and spec? is the materials readily available here?

joey
12-11-2008, 08:10 AM
Just wanted to ask you guys. meron ako nakitang Table saw na medyo out of the budget pero pweding magisipan, sa palagay niyo which is better...

this one
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t130/timber715/IMG_0195.jpg
Jet Jts-10
Motor P1 1500W
Blade speed 4500rpm
Blade dia./bore 254/30mm
Blade tilt 0°-45° left
Cut depth: 90/45° 80/55mm
Cut width 410mm
Table size 430x640mm
extensions: 940x950mm
Dust port dia. 57 & 100mm
Weight 37kg
price: P9,850

or this one
http://www.toolseeker.com/WdWkMac/Tablesaw/36-540.asp?var1=36-540
Delta 36-540
Hp 13 Amp
Voltage 115 V
Blade 10" Right tilt
Speed 4700 RPM
Table Aluminum Fence
Accessories Miter gauge, blade
Features Self-aligning rip fence
price: P9,500

bbn
12-11-2008, 09:04 AM
Both of those are Taiwan brands. I'm not sure which brand it is but I've a jointer that is one of those brands, and I've been very satisfied with quality. The MIC I saw at the nearby industrial supply was selling at P6,500 so I guess those prices are about right.

10" (254mm) is about the commonly used size, and very rarely would you probably need something bigger. I've a 12" table saw at home but there was a time when I only had a 10" blade on it because I felt the higher cost of a 12" blade was not justified.

JayL
12-11-2008, 12:12 PM
The Delta 36-540 's price of P9,500 is not so bad considering its dollar cost + shipping charges to send here. If it is new and has warranty then so much the better.

OT : Do you think one can get away without a table saw if he has a tool like the one below.

http://www.dewalt.com/us/tracksaw/applications/index.html

bbn
12-11-2008, 12:31 PM
Basically that is a saw guide (jig) though it can do a lot more. My first thought though is that it would be difficult to use with small workpieces. For a large workpiece, I'd like to have one too! But I also think it would be very easy to DIY a track.

At home I have a 8' saw guide. It is just a piece of 9mm plywood about 12" or more wide with an narrow strip glued to it to serve as the guide. The blade of my portable saw exactly just clears the edge of the wider piece. Cost is I guess about P200 or so.

I also have an 8' piece of aluminum section about 2" wide and 1/2" thick. I put holes in it spaced about 18" apart and use drywall screws to fasten it to a workpiece when I need to. It makes a nice ruler for sure but more often I use this for truing not so straight piece of lumber. Cost me only P150 a few years back.

A combo of the above should be able to mimic that nice track.

JayL
12-11-2008, 12:52 PM
I am basically in the same position as Joey. Have acquired some woodworking tools. However in my case I have not yet started but would hopefully be able to do so in the coming holiday. Looking at my tools I reckon I would not be able to do anything unless I build Saw Horses first.

Do you have a good source for 2 x 4 x 8 pine lumber. Is this usually available at any lumber yard?

Thanks

bbn
12-11-2008, 01:00 PM
Well I did once see pine stock being sold at the Home Depot along Ortigas and also at the one along Julio Vargas. Usually though I buy pine wood from scrap crate wood vendors because it is a cheaper (P13 per board foot on a 2"x4"x7"). I think there is a thread here about pine wood vendors.

joey
12-11-2008, 06:48 PM
The Delta 36-540 's price of P9,500 is not so bad considering its dollar cost + shipping charges to send here. If it is new and has warranty then so much the better.

OT : Do you think one can get away without a table saw if he has a tool like the one below.

http://www.dewalt.com/us/tracksaw/applications/index.html

no warranty sir. my problem is 110 volts and im scared of not finding a replacement for the parts here in pinas.

joey
12-11-2008, 06:55 PM
made saw horses this day

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/12-11-08046.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/12-11-08048.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/12-11-08050.jpg

mga scrap lang sa demolished building ng church namin.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/12-11-08025.jpg

JayL
12-12-2008, 02:39 AM
@Joey - Nice Mitter Saw. What brand is it and did you get a good deal on it?

I need to have sawhorses too. I hope to have the time this weekend to build at least 2 pcs.

bbn
12-12-2008, 09:10 AM
Very nice Joey saw horses there. They look very SOLID. You could add some braces so it does not sway sideways.

Is that a Ryobi? Mine is exactly the same design but it is GMC.

JayL
12-12-2008, 01:11 PM
This is my 10" Miter Saw. Lot's of power but it does not slide.

Joey's updated Saw Horse is much better now with the braces installed.

bbn
12-12-2008, 01:49 PM
I hate to say this because it just goes to show how tool crazy I am: I have one of those too but it is only 7-1/4".

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/lcasambre/shoptools/IMGA1898.jpg

JayL
12-12-2008, 02:13 PM
I am with the thought that the Miter Blade plays a huge part in a Miter Saw performance. Do you have any suggestions on a good 10" blade available at local industrial suppliers?

bbn
12-12-2008, 02:41 PM
A friend of mine has a deWalt and I really like it when I used it before. My old table blade was a Nicholson. Price-wise I remember it was very competitive. The blade served me well for quite a long time before I had this bright idea to used it to cut some refractory bricks.

joey
12-12-2008, 09:17 PM
@Joey - Nice Mitter Saw. What brand is it and did you get a good deal on it?

I need to have sawhorses too. I hope to have the time this weekend to build at least 2 pcs.

please post a pic sir whenever you start your SawHorses...

its a PMX Brand sir (made in china) super good deal sir. although i have to pay 200bucks for the taxi fare cause i really don't wanted this you know just lurking around.. window shopping...but for the price the seller gave me... i cant resist.

joey
12-12-2008, 09:24 PM
I am with the thought that the Miter Blade plays a huge part in a Miter Saw performance. Do you have any suggestions on a good 10" blade available at local industrial suppliers?


someone told me that Irwin brand is a good saw blade. he told me that many woodworkers here in pinas used this because of its "makunat" metal. last wednesday when we were T Alonzo i saw a 7 1/4 60T selling for 540pesos and nicholson for 600pesos also a makita brand for 1300pesos and bosch for 950pesos. i dont know how much for 10' though for i only ask for 7 /14 to replace my old saw blade.

joey
12-12-2008, 09:26 PM
I hate to say this because it just goes to show how tool crazy I am: I have one of those too but it is only 7-1/4".

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/lcasambre/shoptools/IMGA1898.jpg

your one of a kind sir incc63. i think you have all the tools that many woodworkers want... wow! your awesome man!

joey
12-12-2008, 09:29 PM
This is my 10" Miter Saw. Lot's of power but it does not slide.

Joey's updated Saw Horse is much better now with the braces installed.

oh my.. woooow. this is a Miter Saw that I'm dreaming.

bbn
12-15-2008, 08:03 AM
Thanks Joey but I'm more a tool crazy person than a die hard woodworker. I've also interests in machining, metal casting, composites, mechanics, and electronics. I put electronics last because that's my profession.

joey
12-16-2008, 08:13 AM
Thanks Joey but I'm more a tool crazy person than a die hard woodworker. I've also interests in machining, metal casting, composites, mechanics, and electronics. I put electronics last because that's my profession.

indeed your the master of tools!

still looking for some budget table saw... whats the difference between ordinary table saw and contractor saw?

bbn
12-16-2008, 08:56 AM
Honestly I don't know ... ha ha ... that should my image straight. I suspect is refers to the robustness of the saw. I've a few "indestructible" tools that I bought from closed down factories. You can really see the difference. This is another means of getting bargains. For example, my drill press came from a closed down furniture shop. It is so heavy I did not dare put it in the trunk of my car. I bought it for P3,500 which was about the price of a brand new MIC drill press then. The former owner just wanted to get rid of it.

I still think you should just build one.

joey
12-16-2008, 10:49 PM
Honestly I don't know ... ha ha ... that should my image straight. I suspect is refers to the robustness of the saw. I've a few "indestructible" tools that I bought from closed down factories. You can really see the difference. This is another means of getting bargains. For example, my drill press came from a closed down furniture shop. It is so heavy I did not dare put it in the trunk of my car. I bought it for P3,500 which was about the price of a brand new MIC drill press then. The former owner just wanted to get rid of it.

I still think you should just build one.

lol...wow... you got lucky there... well ive been in t alonzo this morning. i saw a lot of table saw, and to my surprise underneath is just an ordinary circular saw...wooohhhww...

if those manufacturer can do that why can,t i? i think im just gonna build one, but im not not sure where to start? whats the thing should i buy first? and where to source out? whats the spec?

JayL
12-17-2008, 06:45 AM
Most of the Chinese made Drill presses in the 3,000 - 6,000 peso range I've seen so far looks junky. I'm in the lookout for a second hand older model industrial drill press too. Innc63 got lucky in this department.

If I am not mistaken I think Innc63 repairs or refurbishes his own tools too.

Newbie question : Why is a table saw so important for a Woodworker? Is the circular saw not good enough?


thanks

bbn
12-18-2008, 07:35 AM
Buy the saw first. Doing so is not terribly essential but it is not such a bad idea. The table can be just 3/4" plywood.

bbn
12-18-2008, 07:46 AM
Most of the Chinese made Drill presses in the 3,000 - 6,000 peso range I've seen so far looks junky. I'm in the lookout for a second hand older model industrial drill press too. Innc63 got lucky in this department.

If I am not mistaken I think Innc63 repairs or refurbishes his own tools too.

Newbie question : Why is a table saw so important for a Woodworker? Is the circular saw not good enough?


thanks

Bros checkout Buy and Sell once in awhile this is where I've found the good old industrial stuff. Yup repairing tools is a good, but sometimes risky, way of getting the tools I want (not necessarily need). Also, repairing tools is a lot of fun too ... aside from being a good excuse to need more tools.

A table saw is often better than a portable for several reasons:

1. When cutting small pieces, a portable is usually difficult to wield being heavier. Also you don't have a large clear view of the cutting point.
2. Long cuts on narrow pieces are also very difficult with a portable.
3. The table serves as a large stable reference.

Here are the times I use the portable:

1. Large wide workpieces such as a whole sheet of plywood.
2. Project is already assembled and it is too bulky to heave on to the table saw. Normally I just use a manual saw, it is easier.

shot528
12-21-2008, 04:40 PM
hi ... ive just tried before furniture making ... but it was way back years ago(when i was still a student)..... and now have a job today ... i want to go back in wood working as a hobby... and planning to buy TABLE SAW,(with accesory for making mortise) and table router(if my budget if i have a budget for it)...

- where can i buy in manila
- price range of the product
- good brand and model number


planning in the use of ripping pine tree, 3/4" ply board/ply wood.. etc
making furnitures


can u give me adresses where can i buy ... or any website of the store(philippines only)

thanks

bbn
12-22-2008, 07:24 AM
Where do you live?

crazyboi_6
12-22-2008, 08:29 PM
Hey, I’ve been a member for a long time but I’m not active because I don’t have a lot of time to "diy" because of school. Anyway, I am also planning to buy a router preferably something that’s cheap because of budget constraints. I am planning to use it in making circles out of mdf for car audio. Currently, I’m using a jigsaw but it’s really hard to make perfects circles. I saw some from the malls and they are priced at around 7K. I haven’t been to Alonzo so I don’t have an idea how much they are there. Hope you can help me find something that’s lower in price. Thanks

joey
12-22-2008, 10:05 PM
hi ... ive just tried before furniture making ... but it was way back years ago(when i was still a student)..... and now have a job today ... i want to go back in wood working as a hobby... and planning to buy TABLE SAW,(with accesory for making mortise) and table router(if my budget if i have a budget for it)...

- where can i buy in manila
- price range of the product
- good brand and model number


planning in the use of ripping pine tree, 3/4" ply board/ply wood.. etc
making furnitures


can u give me adresses where can i buy ... or any website of the store(philippines only)

thanks

try T.Alonzo, Soler, Evangelista. there a lot of used and new tools out there... try this website although i didnt bought anything from them yet. www.toolsfromus.com

bbn
12-23-2008, 08:38 AM
@crazyboi

A jigsaw can be used but you need to make a jig to cut perfectly round holes. The sames goes when using a router. The simplest is just a piece of plywood wide enough so the jigsaw sit on it, and a bit longer than the radius you want to cut. Just fasten the jig saw to one end with screws or even nails. And put a nail on the other end to the center of the circle you want to cut. You need to drill a starting hole in your workpiece right at the edge of the circle but you already know this I think.

I've done this many times with both a router and a jigsaw.

bbn
12-23-2008, 08:52 AM
try T.Alonzo, Soler, Evangelista. there a lot of used and new tools out there... try this website although i didnt bought anything from them yet. www.toolsfromus.com

I bought my very first router from them. They used to have a store near our place in Cainta. The router I bought was not really among their product lines I think. I was just a John Benzen, a Makita 1306 lookalike. I still have it but I don't use it often.

shot528
12-23-2008, 05:13 PM
kano po kaya table saw
table saw with out tenoning JIG
table saw with tenoning JIG

tapos table router..

balak ko ksi na i renovate and kusina namin......... to br used in cabenit windos.... and continue as a hobby... mas maganda kasi pag gawa mo ehh... mas masarap tignan...


can u please tell me some price qoutations pls...
so that i can see my budget

crazyboi_6
12-23-2008, 07:21 PM
@crazyboi

A jigsaw can be used but you need to make a jig to cut perfectly round holes. The sames goes when using a router. The simplest is just a piece of plywood wide enough so the jigsaw sit on it, and a bit longer than the radius you want to cut. Just fasten the jig saw to one end with screws or even nails. And put a nail on the other end to the center of the circle you want to cut. You need to drill a starting hole in your workpiece right at the edge of the circle but you already know this I think.

I've done this many times with both a router and a jigsaw.

thanks for the advice sir. do you still sell those used circular saw you posted before?

bbn
12-24-2008, 08:15 AM
kano po kaya table saw
table saw with out tenoning JIG
table saw with tenoning JIG

tapos table router..

balak ko ksi na i renovate and kusina namin......... to br used in cabenit windos.... and continue as a hobby... mas maganda kasi pag gawa mo ehh... mas masarap tignan...


can u please tell me some price qoutations pls...
so that i can see my budget

I think others have posted the prices here for tables saws. P3,500 is a really good price already.

For a table router, just buy a router and mount it underneath a table. My uncle even just put one under a piece of 3/4" plywood and clamped it to his workbench. Sorry I don't know how much routers cost these days but you should also factor in the cost of the bits which can be quite a bit especially if you want to make fancy cabinet doors.

You might consider using a table saw to make somewhat fancy cabinet doors. A table saw need to be limited to just flat straight cuts. For example an easy way of making a concave slot is to hold the wood a slightly at angle and run the board parallel to the blade. Setting the blade at an angle will also make nice bevels. You'll have to do a bit more sanding but it could be fun.

bbn
12-24-2008, 08:17 AM
thanks for the advice sir. do you still sell those used circular saw you posted before?

Yeah I may have one or two but I live in Cainta so factor in your travel expense.

crazyboi_6
12-24-2008, 11:04 AM
Yeah I may have one or two but I live in Cainta so factor in your travel expense.

how much are you selling them and what are the sizes? thanks

bbn
12-24-2008, 11:29 AM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t234/surplustoolsph/406/IMGA2797.jpg

This is what they look like but the actual units may vary. These are GMC Platinum 10" saws, which are marketed as contractor grade. I don't really know but these units are SOLID. They are too heavy in my opinion to be used manually but they'd be great under a table.

How much a unit would cost would depend on the actual unit one would get. If I remember correctly we used to sell these at P2k or something like that. I'm not really sure, the wife did all that stuff.

If anyone is interested I can PM directions to our place.

crazyboi_6
12-24-2008, 11:41 AM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t234/surplustoolsph/406/IMGA2797.jpg

This is what they look like but the actual units may vary. These are GMC Platinum 10" saws, which are marketed as contractor grade. I don't really know but these units are SOLID. They are too heavy in my opinion to be used manually but they'd be great under a table.

How much a unit would cost would depend on the actual unit one would get. If I remember correctly we used to sell these at P2k or something like that. I'm not really sure, the wife did all that stuff.

If anyone is interested I can PM directions to our place.

sir, im interested. when can i possibly see the items? im in laguna now but i might get back b4 new year. thanks

bbn
12-24-2008, 12:48 PM
You'd have to come to our house in Cainta. We're located behind Brookside Hills, which is before Valley Golf. I won't be around till Jan 5 and I've another trip on Jan 11. January 10 is a good date.

Maybe you'd like to buy a thickness planer?

shot528
12-24-2008, 05:08 PM
thanks for the advice...

how much would it cost me if ill buy a dado blade for table saw

how much would it cost me for auger bit sizes... 1/4, 1/38, 1/2, 3/4

bbn
12-24-2008, 05:19 PM
I've a 7-1/4" dado blade ... never used it. Using a router table or a dado jig for a handheld router is easier from my experience though not as quick. If I remember right it cost about $30 but I bought it off eBay in the U.S.

I only have 3 auger bits because I bought the adjustable kind ... come to think of it I don't remember where they are. If have available power, I suggest you use spade bits instead, they're cheaper. Fostner bits are also another option which are what I generally use. These are the reason I don't use my augers anymore. Anyway, way way back when I bought them they cost about P500 - P700 each. I got them from my nearby industrial supply (I think).

crazyboi_6
12-27-2008, 12:32 PM
You'd have to come to our house in Cainta. We're located behind Brookside Hills, which is before Valley Golf. I won't be around till Jan 5 and I've another trip on Jan 11. January 10 is a good date.

Maybe you'd like to buy a thickness planer?

sorry, i can't on that date. pwede lang ako today till 30 and maybe on jan 2 but after that hindi na ako pwede.

JayL
12-28-2008, 06:55 PM
I did get a chance to cut some 2x4 and 2x6 using my 10" miter and 7 1/4" circular saws while building my saw horses. I had a view of how really useful a table saw can be specially when I wanted to rip a 2x6x10 into 2 pcs 2x3x10.

Anybody had a chance to procure a table saw already? Joey?

Thanks

bbn
01-05-2009, 07:14 AM
sorry, i can't on that date. pwede lang ako today till 30 and maybe on jan 2 but after that hindi na ako pwede.

Sorry Bro but I've not had Internet access for the past few days. If you ever get the chance and are still interested drop me a post. No problem either way.

joey
01-05-2009, 01:12 PM
Sorry Bro but I've not had Internet access for the past few days. If you ever get the chance and are still interested drop me a post. No problem either way.

if sir crazyboi_6 would not get the circular saw, put me next in line sir incc63... im looking for that cause my circular saw is now living under the table, actually i just finish installing the circular saw under the table.. now i have a table saw...will post some pic later...

joey
01-05-2009, 01:17 PM
Sorry Bro but I've not had Internet access for the past few days. If you ever get the chance and are still interested drop me a post. No problem either way.

if sir crazyboi_6 would not get the circular saw, put me next in line sir incc63... im looking for that cause my circular saw is now living under the table, actually i just finish installing the circular saw under the table.. now i have a table saw...will post some pic later...

bbn
01-05-2009, 04:44 PM
if you buy the GMC saw I posted I think you'd be better off putting that under a table. The GMC is VERY HEAVY, so much that personally I would not want to use it as a portable. Don't worry I I think I have at least 2 of them.

JayL
01-06-2009, 04:00 AM
if sir crazyboi_6 would not get the circular saw, put me next in line sir incc63... im looking for that cause my circular saw is now living under the table, actually i just finish installing the circular saw under the table.. now i have a table saw...will post some pic later...

Yeah, please post some pics whenever you can. tks

joey
01-06-2009, 08:59 PM
well here it is my unfinished table saw... at last...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/kahoy001.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/kahoy005.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/joey1355/kahoy006.jpg


di pa tapos, will make some miter gauge and fence pa and will top it with laminate... busy pa sa work medyo nasingit lang nung monday morning...

bbn
01-07-2009, 08:50 AM
Nice Joey. A few suggestions:

1. A wider slot for when you set the blade at an angle. A removable piece would be nice but is not absolutely necessary.
2. A taller fence, mine is about 4" inches high.
3. An end piece attached to the fence that overhangs the farther edge of the table and is true to the table will make setting the fence a lot easier.
4. Hinging your table top so it can swing up from the frame will make making adjustments to the saw for height and angle easier.
5. For miter cuts consider using a sled instead of fence. The sled can be guided by one (or both) of the tables side edges. This way you don't need to make slots in the table. Also a sled is much more stable and thus accurate than a miter fence.
6. Lastly, cover the (plywood) table edges with hardwood edging for better wear and tear.

crazyboi_6
01-10-2009, 10:08 AM
Sorry Bro but I've not had Internet access for the past few days. If you ever get the chance and are still interested drop me a post. No problem either way.

if i do have the chance, i'll go and see the items. thanks

B2Bomber
02-16-2009, 11:46 PM
@ joey - where'd you see the GMC router table?

Anyway, just like lncc63, my first (and still is) router table was a custom one. made out of steel and 3/4" steel I had a shop weld. the router plate is 3/16" junkshop-sourced steel plate machined for the center hole and the router mounting holes. filled the low spots, treated the rust and painted.

It's still ok for small pieces but for "long" ones, I don't really use it as it is because the middle has started to sag. If anybody's interested I might post a scanned page/s from my woodworking book illustrating several router table projects, and some jigs.... when I get home. Coz I don't bring it along with me. ;-)