crib build [Archive] - PinoyHandyMan Do-It-Yourself Community

beebeenator

03-14-2010, 01:07 AM

Baby is on the way... due in MAY!!! 11

so i am concentrating everything on making this crib

With all the standard safety measurements and provisions as required by the American.... forgot the entity name.

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this would not have been possible without the router table.... well it could be , but it would have been alot less easier to do

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I forgot to dado the sides. hmmm oh well will have to do a quick fix of some sort.

I have placed myself a deadline till the end of this month so any lingering smell from the stain and coating will wear off by may

timber715

03-14-2010, 01:42 AM

nice build, keep em coming...

beebeenator

03-14-2010, 02:08 PM

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Finally something that cleans fast

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Positioned it inside the store room to keep noise down

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I like what i see and no short cuts/mistakes involved.... so far

fourtheboys96

03-14-2010, 08:28 PM

a crib that can be converted into a playpen later on would be nice especially if it will be large enough to fit one of the parents hehehehe

beebeenator

03-14-2010, 09:35 PM

HI Fourtheboys96

I was actually thinking of a modification where it will enable me to rock the crib.

As for the conversion to play pen. Unfortunately it wont be happening even if i would like it too. The lesser the moving parts the safer a crib is. I even decided to not include a swing down side rail.

timber715

03-14-2010, 10:06 PM

Bee, seems you are using treated wood. I suggest you not only seal it, but seal it COMPLETELY. anti anay treatment is hazardous with direct contact to the skin, it is something you don't want you child to be exposed to. just a word of caution... cheers.

guad

03-15-2010, 12:33 AM

Matimco website says that WeatherWood is treated with Solignum. There are plenty of words expended on how effective it is and how long it lasts, but nothing on its safety other than to say that it "has a hazard class rating of up to H3.1" (for the above-ground version; H3.2 and H4 for the ground-contact version). There is no explanation of what those ratings mean, or their basis.

The active ingredients in Solignum are permethrin, propiconazole, and tebuconazole. According to Wikipedia, two of these are considered by the EPA to be possible carcinogens and one of these may be linked to Parkinson's disease.

We also use Matwood in some cases, so the unstated and unknown health effects are something that we have to keep in mind and try to minimize.

bbn

03-15-2010, 06:39 AM

Fantastic Bee. I hope my wife doesn't see this though.

beebeenator

03-15-2010, 08:36 AM

Yeah i realized it is treated wood hence i will be spray sealing it. Just got back my donated compressor

the 2 x 4's are untreated timberco. I just realized armour wood has radjata pine 1 x 4. oh well.

Whats a good sealer? i only use boysen sanding sealer so far . Hence i probably need a sealer design for spraing

beebeenator

03-15-2010, 11:40 AM

hmmmm i have been thinking the whole morning

i may have to take out the treated pine.... or would a sealer really make it safe already?

or i can make another set ALL OVER again. and use this for something else sine it looks mighty nice anyway

Timberco ran out of stock in wilcon their 1 x 4 lumber so i decided to use their weather wood.

Suki ako sa wilcon coz its close to us. hmmmm

Now the next question. if i do decide not to make another set ALL over again. is there a clean way of detaching the wood? its all glued in the grooves. Oh well i will just redo it instead. This time it will take me half of the time since i dont have to juggle with structural design pinderings.

timber715

03-15-2010, 12:52 PM

no need to start over. use a brush to apply the sanding sealer so you get a thicker coat. Wilcon do have a nice collection of wood, kaya lang ang mahal compared to others. seems that the bottom will be covered with foam, so you are ok from there. the sanding sealer will do fine, just seal it well naman ang advise ko...
the build is actually very nice already, just keep it up.

guad

03-15-2010, 01:42 PM

I also want to lean on the side of just applying sealer and maybe a topcoat like varnish or polyurethane, but one should probably look into the (relative) safety of those also. So many questionable chemicals in modern environment now that it boils down to determination or even guess of what is less hazardous than what, and whether the concentrations are enough to matter.

There was water-based sanding sealer and water-based polyurethane at Ace, maybe they are safe or safer, who knows. I am usually inclined to use tung oil on untreated wood, but I read that some people can be allergic to that.

BTW, 'Armourwood' radiata pine from New Zealand being distributed by Central Lumber Corp. is also treated with preservative. Unlike Matimco, I have not seen any published info on the preservative.

Just for fun (or education), why not contact Matimco and ask about the safety of their treated wood. If they say it is safe for humans, ask if they would put their baby in a crib made of MatWood/WeatherWood.

beebeenator

03-15-2010, 02:13 PM

Edited: I did not see Timber's and Guad's post

Rdjata pine of armour wood is treated with tenelith E

i found out that its NOT advisable to use CCA treated lumber

CCA chrome cpper anrsenic?

I am planning to use the head board for a different purpose. I will turn it upside down. and put 3 levels of shelves and use it as a food prep trolley or trolley for in door plants... general purpose furniture trolly in other words..

I will start a new crib instead. but i may change the design a bit because i get really bored if i make something exactly the same. It becomes a chore instead of a hobby :)

Edited: Timber mentions sanding sealer. However i am so paranoid now about it hahahah.

I will try calling matimco on the chemical used in their weather wood.

beebeenator

03-15-2010, 02:34 PM

I called Matimco

their above ground treated pine is merely treated with solignum

The wood is safe. But i will do further checking to verify.

beebeenator

03-16-2010, 12:52 AM

http://www.matimco.com/news/091200.php

An article explaining the treatment of wood by Matimco using LSOP type (Solignum in particular)

on the second page it says that the VOC, vapor something emitted. only lasts for 2 days and after that its 100% safe for human contact.

I am so bloody relieved i dont have to redo the crib head boards :)

I never thought of calling matimco coz i instantly assumed that they use CCA chromated copper arsenate. I was apparently really wrong

Cheers for Matimco :)

timber715

03-16-2010, 01:45 AM

thats good to hear... :)

guad

03-16-2010, 10:09 AM

That is the article that I was referring to, that I found lacking in safety info on Solignum. There is no reference to any independent studies on toxicity of Solignum or treated wood, and no basis given for the claim that it is "100% safe".

If VOC emissions last for two days as claimed, that is good. But it does not talk about what is left on the wood (i.e., not vaporized and released as gas) and the long-term effects of skin contact or effect say on carpenters breathing in the sawdust. I assume that the majority of the Solignum (an insecticide and anti-fungi) is left behind, impregnated in the wood, not vaporized in first two days, so as to be effective for a long time.

I am not saying that Matimco treated wood is unsafe. I am saying that sufficient/scientific info is not given. (The warnings on Solignum can are quite clear though. Given all those warnings, burden is on Matimco to explain how wood treated with it became "100% safe".)

Again, I would go with advice of timber to just put coatings. Better to touch or lick the coatings than the preservative (we assume and hope).

Now back to this project wherein I inhale Matwood sawdust...

timber715

03-16-2010, 11:41 PM

I remember watching an australian tv show wherein the government has a safety body that looks after the welfare of their people. they visited a man installing floor boards in his veranda, rather replacing them with new ones.
the safety body advices the man that when sawing (with a cs) and sanding and even simply holding the treated wood or touching the skin poses danger for the man and was advised to wear a jumpsuit from head to toe and a mask to prevent inhalation of the dust. they evenmade sure that the man wore shoes when finishing the floor, that should be a warning to heed. too bad, our local government is busy with nothing...

Now back to this project wherein I inhale Matwood sawdust...
you guys crack me up... :)

beebeenator

03-19-2010, 12:01 AM

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not bad i think

table saw sled with a stop block. the tenon was cleaned out by sliding the sled on the peak of the saw blade and slidng the piece on and off the stop blck (no photo)

bbn

03-19-2010, 08:42 PM

When using wood glue Bee you really should have the mating surfaces as smooth as possible and contacting each other very well. So best that you sand those tenons down. If you use epoxy or polyurethane based glues, rough surfaces would be ok since these glues will fill the spaces and have more than enough strength.

bbn

03-19-2010, 08:43 PM

Oh and with wood glue the clamping pressure should be high. With epoxy and PU glues, light pressure is better.

JayL

03-19-2010, 11:08 PM

Finally something that cleans fast

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Bee,

Take care of the hang up pro's cable. It breaks easily. Here' mine.

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beebeenator

03-20-2010, 09:21 AM

ouch. Thanks for the heads up JayL

beebeenator

03-22-2010, 11:28 PM

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the mortise and tenon fit pretty well, although i had to chisel awayyyyy since the frostner i got was a little small in diameter than the mortise width, so after drilling with it there was still alot of chiseling

the joints are reinforced with dowel pins. 6 mm width. i got fluted dowels from hafele.... saves me the trouble of making them!!!

then i got shelf braces to add extra support so to prevent wracking of the rails from side to side

timber715

03-23-2010, 01:39 AM

the build is really looking good bee, swmbo must be happy with it so far. the dowels I believe are no longer nec imho since the m&t joints are very strong as it is, but if it makes you feel secure... :)
we look forward to more updates bro. keep it up!

beebeenator

03-24-2010, 01:51 AM

Thanks timber!

I have to brush up on my finishing skills this time got the swmbo to be really happy :)

timber715

03-24-2010, 03:28 AM

Thanks timber!

I have to brush up on my finishing skills this time got the swmbo to be really happy :)
would tell you that now is a good time to get approval for a new tool purchase. :), but not with a baby coming, need to save up first for her... goodluck and regards to the boss...

beebeenator

03-26-2010, 12:26 AM

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timber715

03-26-2010, 12:43 AM

dang Bee, did the 3612C router do that to your crib? looks GREAT!!! :) I can imagine your swmbo's smile whenever she sees that. keep it up.

beebeenator

03-26-2010, 12:57 AM

Thanks Timber!

My swmbo read this thread and saw the term swmbo.... and she nodded her head in affirmation hahahah

The 3612C did the jointing of the pine, grooving of the rails and grooving for the pines to slot in the headboard frame. Which made me realize that I shouldve gotten the 3612c and made the router table just as soon as i got my miter saw :)

I made a simple jointer too for the jet table saw. used it for the slats.

I actually chiseled alot of the mortise and to be honest, i enjoyed it!

JayL

03-26-2010, 01:55 AM

That's a Great looking crib!!! Truly a labor of love. :)

Are you going to put wheels on it?

By the way where do you buy your wood?

beebeenator

03-26-2010, 12:03 PM

beebeenator

03-26-2010, 01:10 PM

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beebeenator

03-27-2010, 11:41 PM

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ummmm stress test ?

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doweled the slats from the top. Since some were wobbling hmmm not quite perfect assembly for the slats :(

Wanted to dowel it from the side but the groove wasnt deep enough to have enough of the slats go in for dowels

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Grooved to match the baseboard

timber715

03-28-2010, 04:00 AM

akala ko parating pa lang ang baby?
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thats a big crib bee. with that size, he/she could be there till she's 8 years old. hahahaha

beebeenator

03-28-2010, 12:11 PM

hehehe actually it only looks big

its based on the standard crib size, Now i am onto finishing.... the part i hate the most :P

timber715

03-28-2010, 03:35 PM

hehehe actually it only looks big

its based on the standard crib size, Now i am onto finishing.... the part i hate the most :P

gotta start sanding and removing the price tag on the wood first... hahaha.
looking forward the finished pictures.

JayL

03-28-2010, 06:31 PM

Thanks JayL!

I am contemplating on the wheels if i should. Still not sure

My wood are bought from wilcon since they are accessible where i am at. I get Timberco

How about you guys? where do you get your wood?

I buy at the local "Tablerias" here in Pasay. So far am not happy with what I get although price seems cheaper. I'll try Wilcon next time.

beebeenator

04-01-2010, 10:37 PM

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I cheated with the stain.

After one thin coat of zar wipe-on tung oil and two coats of stain. I decided to thin the stain i have, its Konig, really thick stain. Then i painted it on !!! :)

Now it has a nice even color (more or less for the pine which is in red mahogany)

The rest is a stain mixture of 50/50 brown mahogany and wenge (pure black stain)

bbn

04-01-2010, 10:49 PM

Beeeutiful Bee!

I'd not be surprise if the wife gives you her blessing to buy a thickness planer :) ... heck she might even give you one as present. Here's a suggestion: next project should be a diaper changing station.

timber715

04-01-2010, 10:56 PM

beebeenator

04-02-2010, 12:33 AM

bbn

04-02-2010, 07:03 AM

Actually, what my fellow boatbuilders do is we take our families along when we go sailing , AND we call our wives our "Admirals".

beebeenator

04-02-2010, 11:16 PM

Actually, what my fellow boatbuilders do is we take our families along when we go sailing , AND we call our wives our "Admirals".

WAHAHAHAhahaha

beebeenator

04-10-2010, 04:50 PM

great news. my SWMBO didnt buy the thicknesser... but she did reimburse me the cost of the 3612c and 4 sheets of 3/4 marine ply, 2 sheets of 1/2 inch marine ply and 10pcs 2x4's and 12pcs 1 x 2's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And i can buy the thicknesser if i want to.... which i dont want to at the moment because i still have to pay the baby's hospital bills :)

Life's good if you keep the Admiral happy

beebeenator

04-10-2010, 05:32 PM

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This build made me want a bandsaw or scroll saw. But my jigsaw was pretty much good enough for the purpose, a little painful to use though :(

I made these to add to the "ambiance" of the nursery. They will be enamel painted in bright colors. This was also commissioned by my SWMBO

I did however realized some booboo. I did not edge any of the marine ply's with any solid wood.. instead i rounded off the ply woods... hmm is that ok?

It will be primed with flat dry wall enamel and will use the same to fill in patches then enamel spray paint (finally i get to use the compressor!)