how do you guys finish your wood?

[beebeenator]

I am interested as i have not established my own " technique" yet

However the amount of techniques listed on the web is as numerous as the woodworkers themselves.

I would like to know how each of you do yours. and if you have any brands in particular that are your favorite.

My crib is undergoing Zar's wipe on tung oil treatment, then staining , then tung oil again then another stain before i slap the poly varnish. one day per step so thats a total of 4 days

with the poly varnish i will be thinning it 2 parts thinner and 3 parts poly to make it a wiping varnish. And will probably do 3 coats of it. I hate brushing and till i have a spray booth i aint using the compressor

[timber715]

when you thin poly that much it becomes a wipe on poly... wipe it on, that is what I do too.

[beebeenator]

i will probably never stain pine again. i thought tanguile was hard to stain (uniform shade) . Pine was terrible :P

and apparently the stain iam using also seals at the same time. I got the konig brand.

[chisel]

It depends on the wood, I’m an oil stain fan but problem with the oil stain is that you really cannot even out the color of the wood you always have a imperfection, gel stain I think is not available in our country, but I found out that sealing firs the wood before staining will actually even out the pores of the wood then spay an alcohol or water base die follow up cy poly or lacquer for finish

[timber715]

It depends on the wood, I’m an oil stain fan but problem with the oil stain is that you really cannot even out the color of the wood you always have a imperfection, gel stain I think is not available in our country, but I found out that sealing firs the wood before staining will actually even out the pores of the wood then spay an alcohol or water base die follow up cy poly or lacquer for finish
let me be the first to welcome you chisel to pinoyhandyman. for those who doesn't know Chisel, well he just makes highboys and those fancy stuff I haven't touched on.
going to the topic, try this process when staining difficult wood, apply a layer of Tung oil, let dry then glaze it (staining on top of a finish is called glazing) it should give you a balanced coat of stain. then coat to finish with your choice of top coat.

[beebeenator]

Thats what i did with the crib, Glazing,... a little too much that it actually became painting :P no longer could i see the grains of the wood.

I tung oil wiped the pine.. but very hastily and after staining i "painted" a pretty thinned out mix of the same stain. turned pretty good. Could still see the grains but have an even color

about the Tung oil. Any particular brand you use Timber? Zar tung oil apparently is not the real deal, i read somewhere (can remember where though) that its basically a thinned poly

[chisel]

Thanks Timber for the first one to welcome me here, ahh tung oil and linseed oil plus poly is a very good combination, is this two oil finish available locally where could i find one for example tung oil.

[timber715]

that is correct Bee, the tung oil I use is from Zar, not true ung oil. works fine just use wipe on cloth for a thin even coat, don't brush it in.
that tung oil is available at wilcon Chisel. linseed oil is available at art stores but no boiled linseed oil...

[chisel]

Thanks for that info Timber check that one later

[beebeenator]

Thanks Timber, how about sadolin stains/finishes?? where do you get it? So far ive only seen it on one Wilcon branch. At DAU, Pampanga!!! :( Way too far for a regular visit

[bbn]

IIRC ACE Hardware has them, also True Value in Rockwell.

Bro, if you happen to see any "Spar Varnish" please tell me. Exterior PU is ok on boats but I read that because PU is so hard, it tends to develop microcracks as a boat flexes. Spar varnish is more flexible.

[timber715]

IIRC ACE Hardware has them, also True Value in Rockwell.

Bro, if you happen to see any "Spar Varnish" please tell me. Exterior PU is ok on boats but I read that because PU is so hard, it tends to develop microcracks as a boat flexes. Spar varnish is more flexible.
Ace hardware carries them bro. Ace brand Spar varnish...

[timber715]

Thanks Timber, how about sadolin stains/finishes?? where do you get it? So far ive only seen it on one Wilcon branch. At DAU, Pampanga!!! :( Way too far for a regular visit

the only product of Sandolin that I have tried is their hardwood oil (both natural and teak finish) and they are great. easy to apply, looks great when done. drawback lang is long drying time...

[beebeenator]

Incc63
Ah yes true value. I think i did recall seeing some in their Shang mall branch. But during that time i wasnt playing with wood yet. well check both Ace and true value out.


Timber,
The one in pampanga Wilcon is hardwood oil too. I didnt purchase it at the time though. I saw the effect it had when you applied it to one of your projects and looks quite nice.

[timber715]

Incc63
Timber,
The one in pampanga Wilcon is hardwood oil too. I didnt purchase it at the time though. I saw the effect it had when you applied it to one of your projects and looks quite nice.
it is the one I use for items like my workbench and other light duty pieces where movement would be little. on the workbench naman, it is for ease of refinishing it and keeping it glue and water resistant...

[guad]

Zar tung oil apparently is not the real deal, i read somewhere (can remember where though) that its basically a thinned poly

Oil Finishes: Their History and Use (http://www.popularwoodworking.com/features/finish2.html)

According to this, Zar Wipe-on Tung Oil has no tung oil at all. It is thinned varnish, also known as wiping varnish, which is just varnish thinned with paint thinner.

I would be interested to know if pure tung oil (chinawood oil) is available locally, so that we do not have to import ourselves. For example, from Woodcraft (http://www.woodcraft.com/Family/2000768/2000768.aspx) or Real Milk Paint (http://www.realmilkpaint.com/oil.html).

[timber715]

Oil Finishes: Their History and Use (http://www.popularwoodworking.com/features/finish2.html)

According to this, Zar Wipe-on Tung Oil has no tung oil at all. It is thinned varnish, also known as wiping varnish, which is just varnish thinned with paint thinner.

I would be interested to know if pure tung oil (chinawood oil) is available locally, so that we do not have to import ourselves. For example, from Woodcraft (http://www.woodcraft.com/Family/2000768/2000768.aspx) or Real Milk Paint (http://www.realmilkpaint.com/oil.html).
no tung oil locally that I am aware as of this time.... same for boiled linseed oil.

[guad]

I saw linseed oil at True Value, Park Square 1 a few months ago. If I remember correctly, it was boiled.

I am running out of pure tung oil...

[timber715]

I saw linseed oil at True Value, Park Square 1 a few months ago. If I remember correctly, it was boiled.

I am running out of pure tung oil...
wow, will check it out... want to try this one...

[moji]

The boiled linseed oil is around P600..almost if not the same as the Zar tung oil. Sunny yata un brand.

I saw Watco in HK. I really wanted to buy it but was not sure if it is permitted in baggage. Does anyone know if liquid such as these are allowed in check in baggage?

[guad]

I saw Watco in HK. I really wanted to buy it but was not sure if it is permitted in baggage. Does anyone know if liquid such as these are allowed in check in baggage?

I think the shipping companies (e.g., FedEx) differentiate between flammable and combustible -- flammable not allowed, but combustible allowed (?). However, in general, I don't think it makes a difference to the airlines, i.e., neither allowed. Best to check policy/wording of specific airline.

If I read the article cited above correctly, Watco Teak Oil Finish = boiled linseed oil + varnish.

I notice that on Watco label, the word 'Finish' is in smaller size -- kind of a giveaway of the deception.
http://www.rustoleum.com/cbgimages/products/WaTeOiFiPiL.jpg

[beebeenator]

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9893/p4202555.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2880/p4202556.jpg

the tag says 649 but its discounted to 580 ish

there are still 2 left in True Value Shang Mall after i bought two :)

[timber715]

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9893/p4202555.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2880/p4202556.jpg

the tag says 649 but its discounted to 580 ish

there are still 2 left in True Value Shang Mall after i bought two :)
dang, I remember now I did see that too, didn't have the money then... a trip to true value now scheduled... :)
thanks Ben for the heads up...

[guad]

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9893/p4202555.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2880/p4202556.jpg

the tag says 649 but its discounted to 580 ish

there are still 2 left in True Value Shang Mall after i bought two :)

That was when it was discounted 10%. Now it is discounted 20%, to P519.80. No more left in the paint section, but I think I saw about 10 cans where you would not expect them -- near the insecticides and detergents.

I don't know how much the low demand that prompted the discount is because few people use it nowadays, or because nobody could find it.

Someone should put in a suggestion to them to have pure tung oil in addition, or instead.

[beebeenator]

Feeling namin they have these products because True Value /Handyman U.S. requires them to purchase a guaranteed amount of items (pre selected)from them. This is true with ACE kasi if iam not mistaken.

yes Pure Tung oil is much much better

[timber715]

hey Bee, would you know if Wilcon carries mineral spirits? Ace use to have them, I got the last one that I saw. never seen one again...

[beebeenator]

whats mineral spirits? i have to go and eyeball.. although i dont think ive seen it

[timber715]

it is actually paint thinner by another name it seems, but works much much better... might just be the quality. I am not really sure, maybe a picture would be better...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_1181.jpg

[beebeenator]

i will check sa wilcon... Thats an example of ACE USA requiring ACE local to stock required amounts per item.. :P

[timber715]

unfortunately, they have seem to not order those anymore... mahal kasi for the local market...

[moji]

i have only seen mineral spirits in art supply stores..kaso very very expensive because its artist grade..

[timber715]

hmmm, will check an art supplies store here soon and look for them...

[moji]

I think the supplier of national bookstore's art supplies is located in the binondo area. Maybe it would be cheaper there?

[timber715]

I think the supplier of national bookstore's art supplies is located in the binondo area. Maybe it would be cheaper there?
correct... ;)

[moji]

How much again was that ace mineral spirits that you were able to buy? Too bad it is not available anymore.. Btw, have you used water based sanding sealer already?

[timber715]

How much again was that ace mineral spirits that you were able to buy? Too bad it is not available anymore.. Btw, have you used water based sanding sealer already?
the mineral spirit costs Php 249.75 and I haven't seen a water based sanding sealer yet. I have used the Aces oil based sealer. works great and more compatible with other finishes

[JayL]

Expensive paint thinner. It must be really good. What are the advantages?

How about other local brands like Sphero, Boysen, etc...

[timber715]

Expensive paint thinner. It must be really good. What are the advantages?

How about other local brands like Sphero, Boysen, etc...
I am no expert by a long shot, but these mixed great with most of the finishes I use (which is oil based) and haven't encountered any problems unlike the local ones that give me a headache. but then again, I probably need a lot of learning in this aspect...

[JayL]

You're very choosy buying your finishing products. Expensive too so I reckon that a good paint thinner is in order. You're being modest your finishing works are superb. :)

[timber715]

You're very choosy buying your finishing products. Expensive too so I reckon that a good paint thinner is in order. You're being modest your finishing works are superb. :)
I have to be choosy Jay, a good woodworker that can't finish well will be demolished by a carpenter with great finishing skills... like your boys....

[guad]

Saw locally bottled boiled linseed oil next to the locally bottled pain thinners, etc. at a small hardware store.

Centro brand, 350 ml, P42
Label: Century Chemical Corp.
49 Toctokan St., Bo. Masambong, QC

That comes out to P113 per quart, compared to the P500 or so per quart at True Value.

[timber715]

Saw locally bottled boiled linseed oil next to the locally bottled pain thinners, etc. at a small hardware store.

Centro brand, 350 ml, P42
Label: Century Chemical Corp.
49 Toctokan St., Bo. Masambong, QC

That comes out to P113 per quart, compared to the P500 or so per quart at True Value.
someone check this out soon, it might be a better option for us, definitely cheaper...

now going back to the question...
now I can finish my woodworks using:
1. sanding sealer - yes this alone will work fine
2. poly - most demanding
3. hardwood oil - easiest
4. shellac - enjoying
5. enamel - rollered and brushed
6. boiled linseed oil and linseed oil

something on the learn list is spraying lacquer, the local cheap varnish and other types of finish...

[moji]

I found the website of Century Chemicals, http://www.centurychemicals.com/index.htm

they do have BLO under the Centro brand. They also have a Shellac Varnish. I wonder if this is like the shellac Timber is using.

[timber715]

same company that we had seminar recently... Boysen...