Aniline Dyes

[telecaster]

hi guys im new here been lurking for quite awhile and decided to sign up just now hehehehe

anyway i was wondering does anybody here know where i can get aniline dye's locally? hope to hear from you guys soon thanks

[violaine]

what specific aniline dyes btw?volume?

crystal violet, safrannin, giemsa, hematoxylin, eosin, methylene blue...etc.. these are widely known aniline dyes..
and yes they are locally available.

[timber715]

what specific aniline dyes btw?volume?

crystal violet, safrannin, giemsa, hematoxylin, eosin, methylene blue...etc.. these are widely known aniline dyes..
and yes they are locally available.
hey bro, long time no hear. now that you mentioned it, what is available locally and where? I wouldn't mind trying some...

[violaine]

hey timb!

got little time to surf these days.

btw, these aniline dyes that i know of are "stains" to highlight some parts of the human cells or tissues.these stains are either acidic or basic..as you know human tissues contain either acidic or basic parts..so the acidic stain will bind to the basic parts and vice versa.

these dyes come either in shades of blue (e.g. crystal violet) or red (safranin).

hmmm..it makes me wonder now if we test these stains on wood..why not?

ok ill bring some from the lab and try it on some grainy pine.

cheers!

[telecaster]

hi vio,

ill be using it to stain the guitars im building will be needing amber, yellow, blue, black, violet, brown or anything close to that, btw will be giving it a clear coat on top will either be using poly or nitro paint

hope you could help me out otherwise ill get them in the US

thanks vio

[timber715]

hi telecaster, you seem to deep into woodworking as well, anilene dyes are advance stages of finishing and not commonly seen or used locally. we look forward to seeing your works... I have seen what you seem to want to do on youtube and would like to try it on some of my works as well. a green maple electric guitar that fades from light to dark is really interesting...
cheers

[telecaster]

hi telecaster, you seem to deep into woodworking as well, anilene dyes are advance stages of finishing and not commonly seen or used locally. we look forward to seeing your works... I have seen what you seem to want to do on youtube and would like to try it on some of my works as well. a green maple electric guitar that fades from light to dark is really interesting...
cheers

hi timb,

nah im really not well verse in wood working at least not as deep as you are Ive seen your work and tools and your in a whole different league hehehehehehe im a big fan, its just that anilene dyes are the only way for me but if you have suggestions im open for it

im currently working on 3 guitars commissioned by friends a 50's telecaster, 70's strat and a suhr modern copy will be needing the dye for the suhr copy to make the grains on the maple top pop a bit,

btw timb i saw in one of your post you posted cans of minwax i was wondering where you got it? is it from True value? do they have wipe on poly? and do you have any idea where i can get clear grain filler?

sorry f i ask too many questions i hope you dont mind

hope to hear from you soon

Tele

hope to hear from you again soon

[timber715]

btw timb i saw in one of your post you posted cans of minwax i was wondering where you got it? is it from True value? do they have wipe on poly? and do you have any idea where i can get clear grain filler?

Yes those minmax were bought from True Value in Shangrila, unfortunately they are no longer available that I am aware of, I use to have the wipe on poly too, but half of it dried up. as for fillers, there are several available like Elmers and Pye but I make my own using the sanded dust from the same wood (keeps the color the same) and sanding sealer for pore filling...
thank you for the kind words sir. and do continue asking, that is how I learned what I know, lots here are willing to share what they know, a lot of which I am learning as well.
do post some of your work...

[timber715]

well Doc V. is correct again, aniline dyes really are available locally. got some and had time to test some...
the test pieces... pine and narra.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0831.jpg
dye color is red mixed with warm water... dried after 15 minutes..
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0832.jpg
tried the green, but mixed with shellac, I should find a better way to try this though...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0833.jpg
the other piece stained three times (which is why it is darker)... and some color contrast for reference...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0834.jpg

[moji]

how is that applied?

[timber715]

how is that applied?
I used rags lang... wipe it on.

[jarod]

What's the name of the store that sells the dyes?

[timber715]

I really don't know Jarod, it was a small bookstore in front of Jollibee... :D

I think it can be found elsewhere... will post picture tonight... ;)

[jarod]

I see, thanks Timber! Sa Jollibee, ano ok bilhin? :D

[timber715]

nag palabok lang ako, busog pa kasi kaya light lang muna... :D

but when you see the dye, I think it can be sourced in palengke's all around ;)

[jarod]

Oh...is this different from Venus brand or popularly known as "Jobus" dyes?

[timber715]

Oh...is this different from Venus brand or popularly known as "Jobus" dyes?
it is exactly that... :D in the box, its description is... what else, but... aniline dye:D

[timber715]

searching high and low... sus, nasa palengke lang pala... :D

http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0844.jpg

[beebeenator]

jobus..... sa home economics nagamit namin yan ah :) (not so long ago :P )

[timber715]

got ones from Bhelen(US brand) and they seem identical... tried the local earlier with Moji and Jarod even saw the result... they do work great...

[balarila]

Interesting. Been looking for water-based stains. Are aniline dyes water-based? Does anyone know if wood stained with aninline dye would bond with epoxy?

In my boat project, I plan to stain some pieces for accent but epoxy (my waterproofing and structural sheath) does not bond well with oil-based stains.

[jarod]

^Grammy, not that I don't have faith to anyone's answer but with your case, I will never have peace of mind until I personally proved it myself. Your craft's seaworthiness should never be second to none. So of it was me, I'll do several test until I confirm that it would really bond.

My two cents.

[violaine]

@balarila,

aniline dyes are 100% water soluble...so topping it with epoxy when its has dried should be alright.

[timber715]

I have tried them with, oil based products and water too, but there is another way to use it which I like most. it is using denatured alcohol. it dries very fast and doesn't raise the grain as much as water...
both water and alcohol with the dye should serve you need well and should not affect the bond of epoxy in any way...

[balarila]

Thanks. Been scouring hardware stores looking for water-based stains. Never thought gold ol' "jobus" would do the trick.

Thanks for the warning, too, Jarod. I agree with you. I will test the bond. I am also planning on the staining only for accent and above the waterline and definitely not on anything structural.

[jarod]

Safety, as it always will. Especially on watercrafts, I would hate always looking at the hull periodically and dreading to see something peeling :D

Good luck on your masterpiece! :D

*Are you also a member of pinoyboats?

[balarila]

*Are you also a member of pinoyboats?

Yes. Same handle.