[H] Paano po pagpaint ng wall?

[bhovoi]

Bagong tayo lang po bahay namin and i decided na i-DIY nalang pag wall paint...

alam ko po na need pa lasunin ung wall before painting...puede po bang makahingi ng instruction paano pag wall painting..

Pure rock (semento) po ung wall namin..ano po bang maganda panglason? anong brand? ilang araw paglason bago puede ng patungan ng pintura... ano po ba ung pang primer na pintura?

[timber715]

I am in touch now with Davies paint and confirmed a seminar with them on June 26. they will teach us how to properly do this kind of thing, If you can wait till that day, I suggest you join. they even have a software wherein you can color your house from a picture even before buying a drop of paint. so you can have an idea how it would look before you paint it.

[bhovoi]

I am in touch now with Davies paint and confirmed a seminar with them on June 26. they will teach us how to properly do this kind of thing, If you can wait till that day, I suggest you join. they even have a software wherein you can color your house from a picture even before buying a drop of paint. so you can have an idea how it would look before you paint it.

thanks you po sir pero busy po sa work...pwede po bang bigyan nio ko ng konting tips ..kahit basic lang po...

[timber715]

thanks you po sir pero busy po sa work...pwede po bang bigyan nio ko ng konting tips ..kahit basic lang po...
painting cement walls is not my cup of tea. I am not the best person for this. I am sure someone will reply just wait ng konti. goodluck.

[bhovoi]

u lang osana o may magshare..need ko o kasi talaga ng advice e...

[opzuk4x4]

For Interior concrete walls I usually do as follows:
Neutralize with Boysen conc. neutralizer(any brand will do)
Wash off crystalline deposits
Prime with flat latex
apply appropriate putty(either flat latex with patching compound or gypsum putty)
sand until smooth, re-putty if necessary.
apply 1st, 2nd and final coat of latex paint.(lately being fond of using sun and rain products)

for exterior applications:
prime with boysen acrytex primer.
putty with acrytex cast
sand until smooth
finish with either acrytex top coat, semi gloss latex or any exterior elastomeric paint.

HTH!

[timber715]

u lang osana o may magshare..need ko o kasi talaga ng advice e...
hehehe, tagalog, english and abbreviated words are great to use, please try to avoid lang posting as if you are texting on your phone... unlimited characters dito and free pa, so please avoid text speak.
hantay mo lang kasi weekend, people tend to go out of town especially during long weekends....

[timber715]

there you go, thanks opzuk...

[bhovoi]

hehehe, tagalog, english and abbreviated words are great to use, please try to avoid lang posting as if you are texting on your phone... unlimited characters dito and free pa, so please avoid text speak.
hantay mo lang kasi weekend, people tend to go out of town especially during long weekends....

sige sir wait ko rin ung instruction mo...sorry ho sa sa abbreviated words but hindi ho abbreviated words yan..sira lang ho ung letter p dito sa keyboard ko.. ;)

For Interior concrete walls I usually do as follows:
Neutralize with Boysen conc. neutralizer(any brand will do)
Wash off crystalline deposits
Prime with flat latex
apply appropriate putty(either flat latex with patching compound or gypsum putty)
sand until smooth, re-putty if necessary.
apply 1st, 2nd and final coat of latex paint.(lately being fond of using sun and rain products)

for exterior applications:
prime with boysen acrytex primer.
putty with acrytex cast
sand until smooth
finish with either acrytex top coat, semi gloss latex or any exterior elastomeric paint.

HTH!



thank you ho sir sa instruction...eto ho follow up question ko..

Neutralize with Boysen conc. neutralizer(any brand will do)

ilang days po ba papatagalin ung neutralizer bago pinturahan ng primer


Wash off crystalline deposits


puede na po ba dito na water lang pang wash o water lang talaga pangwash dito :)



apply 1st, 2nd and final coat of latex paint.(lately being fond of using sun and rain products)



after po kasi ng white flat latex na primer e plan ko ipaint ng ibang color...sa mix ng paint para sa color ano po ba ginagamit na paint na pang mix ...puede rin ba ung flat latex na pang mix sa colored paint....

tsaka para saan po ba ung sun and rain products....ngaun ko lang po kasi to narinig...



more power !!!!

[opzuk4x4]

sige sir wait ko rin ung instruction mo...sorry ho sa sa abbreviated words but hindi ho abbreviated words yan..sira lang ho ung letter p dito sa keyboard ko.. ;)





thank you ho sir sa instruction...eto ho follow up question ko..



ilang days po ba papatagalin ung neutralizer bago pinturahan ng primer





puede na po ba dito na water lang pang wash o water lang talaga pangwash dito :)






after po kasi ng white flat latex na primer e plan ko ipaint ng ibang color...sa mix ng paint para sa color ano po ba ginagamit na paint na pang mix ...puede rin ba ung flat latex na pang mix sa colored paint....

tsaka para saan po ba ung sun and rain products....ngaun ko lang po kasi to narinig...



more power !!!!
Usually in 2-3 days pwede na hugasan ng tubig.

For latex paint only acri colors should be used. Your finish coats can be flat, semi-gloss or gloss latex.

Sun and Rain is an elastomeric acrylic paint available pre-mixed with a variety of colors. I like it as it is in my preferred "egg shell" finish.

[bhovoi]

ibig po bang sabihin after ko i-neutralizer ng 3 days ay need ko pang i-wah ng water ung wall/pader bago ko patungan ng primer?

meron na rin po ready mix na paint na hondio na kelangan mag mix? ano po brand? thnaks

[opzuk4x4]

ibig po bang sabihin after ko i-neutralizer ng 3 days ay need ko pang i-wah ng water ung wall/pader bago ko patungan ng primer?

meron na rin po ready mix na paint na hondio na kelangan mag mix? ano po brand? thnaks
Yes. There are a lot of ready mixed interior and exterior paint available in the market. There is sun and rain, rain or shine, davies bio fresh and a whole lot more.

[CrisNaiel]

Good day sir!

If new concrete, kailangan ng 14 to 28 days na curing time bago tayo magpintura. (Kailangan ito para lumabas ang alkalinity ng semento at maiwasan ang mapa-mapa pag nag-apply na tayo ng pintura.)

Tapos nito, pahiran ng Boysen Masonry Neutralizer #44 para lasunin ang semento. Huwag purong neutralizer and ilagay. Kailangan 1:16 lang ang ratio ng neutralizer sa tubig. (Halimbawa: 1 litrong neutralizer sa 16 litrong tubig)

Patuyuin overnight. Mapapansin mong merong mga white crystals na lalabas sa walls mo next day. Ibig sabihin nito nalason na ang konkreto.

Alisin ang asin (white crystals) sa semento sa pamamagitan ng tubig. Pag natuyo na ang semento pwde na tyong maglagay ng pintura.

1st Coat: Boysen Flat Latex #701
Putty: Boysen Masonry Putty (masilya)
2nd & 3rd Coat: either Flat Latex, Semigloss Latex or Gloss Latex

PWEDE RIN

Kung ayaw nang lasunin pwedeng gumamit ng Acrytex Primer instead of Flat Latex bilang primer. Pero kailangan pa rin ng curing time na 14 to 28 days bago magpintura.

[CrisNaiel]

Good day sir!

If new concrete, kailangan ng 14 to 28 days na curing time bago tayo magpintura. (Kailangan ito para lumabas ang alkalinity ng semento at maiwasan ang mapa-mapa pag nag-apply na tayo ng pintura.)

Tapos nito, pahiran ng Boysen Masonry Neutralizer #44 para lasunin ang semento. Huwag purong neutralizer and ilagay. Kailangan 1:16 lang ang ratio ng neutralizer sa tubig. (Halimbawa: 1 litrong neutralizer sa 16 litrong tubig)

Patuyuin overnight. Mapapansin mong merong mga white crystals na lalabas sa walls mo next day. Ibig sabihin nito nalason na ang konkreto.

Alisin ang asin (white crystals) sa semento sa pamamagitan ng tubig. Pag natuyo na ang semento pwde na tyong maglagay ng pintura.

1st Coat: Boysen Flat Latex #701
Putty: Boysen Masonry Putty (masilya)
2nd & 3rd Coat: either Flat Latex, Semigloss Latex or Gloss Latex

PWEDE RIN

Kung ayaw nang lasunin pwedeng gumamit ng Acrytex Primer instead of Flat Latex bilang primer. Pero kailangan pa rin ng curing time na 14 to 28 days bago magpintura.

[austport.paint.center]

For Interior concrete walls I usually do as follows:
Neutralize with Boysen conc. neutralizer(any brand will do)
Wash off crystalline deposits
Prime with flat latex
apply appropriate putty(either flat latex with patching compound or gypsum putty)
sand until smooth, re-putty if necessary.
apply 1st, 2nd and final coat of latex paint.(lately being fond of using sun and rain products)

for exterior applications:
prime with boysen acrytex primer.
putty with acrytex cast
sand until smooth
finish with either acrytex top coat, semi gloss latex or any exterior elastomeric paint.

HTH!

Well said Po! pero po im not against sa boysen but marami pa rin pong brand na you could try

[timber715]

well, some people are bent on using one product over another for one reason or another. we are open to all opinions and options. maybe you can post your painting schedule of your choice of materials too.
having choices is what the forum is all about anyway...

[guad]

An alternative (for new concrete only) that doesn't need all the many steps and associated waiting time would be mineral paint. No neutralizer, no washing off, no primer coat. Just apply the recommended number of coats of mineral paint directly on the cured concrete.

Supposedly, mineral paint would be 'breathable', instead of sealing, which could be an advantage when there is potential for trapped moisture problem. Also has a different look/texture than impervious coatings that some may find appealing.

Not saying better than conventional paint, just an option to consider.

[angelo]

Good day sir!

If new concrete, kailangan ng 14 to 28 days na curing time bago tayo magpintura. (Kailangan ito para lumabas ang alkalinity ng semento at maiwasan ang mapa-mapa pag nag-apply na tayo ng pintura.)

Tapos nito, pahiran ng Boysen Masonry Neutralizer #44 para lasunin ang semento. Huwag purong neutralizer and ilagay. Kailangan 1:16 lang ang ratio ng neutralizer sa tubig. (Halimbawa: 1 litrong neutralizer sa 16 litrong tubig)

Patuyuin overnight. Mapapansin mong merong mga white crystals na lalabas sa walls mo next day. Ibig sabihin nito nalason na ang konkreto.

Alisin ang asin (white crystals) sa semento sa pamamagitan ng tubig. Pag natuyo na ang semento pwde na tyong maglagay ng pintura.

1st Coat: Boysen Flat Latex #701
Putty: Boysen Masonry Putty (masilya)
2nd & 3rd Coat: either Flat Latex, Semigloss Latex or Gloss Latex

PWEDE RIN

Kung ayaw nang lasunin pwedeng gumamit ng Acrytex Primer instead of Flat Latex bilang primer. Pero kailangan pa rin ng curing time na 14 to 28 days bago magpintura.

Sir, your post is so informative. Ngayon ko lang nalaman. My questions are.

1. Bakit po wala na yong primer? Diba po pag unang pintura is primer o yon na rin yong 1st Coat: Boysen Flat Latex #701?

2. Paano po kaya i-repair tong concrete wall dito house na parang ang ipinintura pa lang is primer, 1st coating lang sya. Pwede na po ba etong patungan ng 2nd coating up to 3rd?

Thank

[opzuk4x4]

Flat latex paint is the commonly used primer for interior applications.

[euqihn18]

mga bosing maki tanong na nga rin po ako as we also plan to diy yung pagpaint ng walls nmin...yung neutralizer ba ok lang abutin ng 1 week before mahugasan or nid tlg na 3 to 4 days lng e mahugasan na sya agad? may effect po b un if ever abutin sya ng 1wik before matanggal yung mga white cyrstals? every weekend lang kasi kami makakapunta ni hubby sa house nmin e... pa-advise nmn po ako. atleast lng may idea kmi...thank you thank you

[clayfigur]

mga bosing maki tanong na nga rin po ako as we also plan to diy yung pagpaint ng walls nmin...yung neutralizer ba ok lang abutin ng 1 week before mahugasan or nid tlg na 3 to 4 days lng e mahugasan na sya agad? may effect po b un if ever abutin sya ng 1wik before matanggal yung mga white cyrstals? every weekend lang kasi kami makakapunta ni hubby sa house nmin e... pa-advise nmn po ako. atleast lng may idea kmi...thank you thank you

To be honest, its Ok. The concrete neutralizer, only works by removing alkali build up by using acid. (normally weak acid, if it is strong they recommend you to add water in the label). If it is already neutralized, the alkali in your wall will not attract moist that may damage the paint.

Cement is naturally humectant in nature, it attracts moist in the air, making your wall perspire.. This is bad for your paint, it will strip off your paint from the wall, that's why curing or neutralizing is important.

[euqihn18]

ah ok....kwestyun po ulit. need po ba talagang lasunin muna ang concrete wall kahit matagal na siyang naitayo like more than a year na? or pwede na siya primer agad kung ganun nakatagal? anu po ba ang magiging cause ng hindi pag lason ng wall kahit matagal ng naitayo? thanks in advance po

[jonathanscruz68]

i would suggest to neutralize it, even after a year old or so na ang concrete.
i have experienced cracking of paints in some areas when we did not neutralized the concrete even after a year or so old.
para hindi na maabala, better to neutralized since madali lang naman i-apply ang neutralizer, and let it stay for 24 hours at least before applying the primer.

[violaine]

correct me if i am wrong but after i have applied the neutralizer, i let it stay overnight or upto 48 hours and wash off the white flakes (by scrubbing or by pressurised water hose)...when i feel the wall is completely dry from all the cleaning i then apply the primer.

in one Ace paint label, i read that a month old concrete need no neutralizer anymore and should be ok with the first coat of primer..i am talking about my favorite Stain Halt by Ace. (does the acid in the cement eventually wear off? i dont know...)

and thankfully recently paint companies came up with a bright idea of these siliconized paints acting well as a moisture barrier...i just make sure i painted the exterior wall twice of the same paint before i do the interior...

but hey guys, if there is a better way than what i know please share it then.

(coz painting walls are the things i enjoy most in DIY weekends);)

tia

[euqihn18]

thanks for the inputs sirs...i also asked others opinion about the same matter and yes, they said that if its already a year, then we can actually put primer directly to our wall even without having it neutralized and to violaine, quite curious lang po coz if this stain halt by ace shows the same on its label while others don't...uhmmmm di po kaya possible lang siya for this particular brand? :confused:

[joey81]

@euqihn18, I used Nation N1540 flat latex to prime my un-neutralized interior walls. Makapit naman siya. A 16-liter pail is about P1,100 at my suking hardware store.

[violaine]

quite curious lang po coz if this stain halt by ace shows the same on its label while others don't...uhmmmm di po kaya possible lang siya for this particular brand?


could be...stain halt is relatively expensive kasi (but can be used to primer wood, metal and bare concrete but specifically for wood to cover nail heads with the tendency to corrode and stain the paint) ...there are suitable cheaper products locally available at any hardware or home depot that are intended to primer a concrete wall and i believe the right way to go.

iirc, these newer acrylic latex paints can be used as a primer already.

like joey said, usually the paint label will recommend the brand's primer paint and should be followed for best results.