bandsaw suggestions needed

[beebeenator]

I am about to take in a personal project involving the use of reclaimed narra stair treads. these are THICK .

And i need a band saw to make use the the pieces efficiently

Main use of the bandsaw will be resawing lumber. I wouldnt want to run a stock through a thicknesser to reduce it to half of its original thickness. waste of wood.. and blades.

i am thinking of 10 inch bandsaws? any suggestions?

[moji]

How wide are those narra you have? I think a 10" bandsaw is not capable of resawing unless it is indeed actual 10" cutting capacity. Also the power of the bandsaw is important, should be strong enough to cut through hardwood without bogging down.

Are you planning on shipping a bandsaw from abroad or getting one locally?

[beebeenator]

locally would be the better bet.. and making one would be the last option

i just went through some bandsaw basics. 10 " cutting depth is what i need or prefer. 6" minimum. I dont mind trimming them a bit

the narras are 30cm wide and 2.5" thick

[violaine]

when passing by the north cemetery months ago coming from the north and while stuck in traffic, i saw a store (golden belle marketing) on my left side and they sell hitachi products..through the glass aluminum doors i see some really big cream colored floor standing bandsaws...but didnt have time to make a u-turn and see for my self..i wonder if they are hitachis or some made in china wannabes.i hope somebody near the area can check it for me.

my space wont permit another beast but if somebody is willing to donate one,id gladly break the bank and extend the woodshop.hehe

local distributor of JET tools dont have the meaner bandsaws in their catalogue...the bigger ones looked heavy and dedicated...i managed to get a copy of their catalogue courtesy of Allan at Hi-D industrial (a bosch service center along dasmarinas, binondo) where i got my first table saw and that is the jet-jts 10.

i thought of these bandsaws when planning to build tables with curvaceous legs..hehe..resaw is secondary...but in your case bee...if there are lots of good stuff in those salvaged narra,i suggest to bring them to a local lumberyard and have them split for a nominal fee.

[violaine]

everybody asleep..i wonder why i woke up around 1230am today..must be my gastritis...usual routine for me is 9pm snuggle and 4 am wake up time..a sudden change in my sleeping habits...:eek:

il try to get back to bed.

[ernie_serrano]

I'd go with just bringing it in a lumber or sash factory for re sawing unless you really have use for the band saw after wards. there is one in marikina that has good machines, there is also a friend of mine sa fairview.

[guad]

I mentioned this in the jet jts10 first impressions (http://www.pinoyhandyman.com/showthread.php?t=620&page=10) thread --
Grizzly G0555 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/The-Ultimate-14-Bandsaw/G0555), also here (http://www.amazon.com/Grizzly-G0555-Ultimate-14-Bandsaw/dp/B0000DD0AC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1277117375&sr=8-1), 110/220 V, throat ~14 in, cutting height 6 in.
The larger versions also look interesting, but shipping may be less practical.

I remember Mayon saying that they had a something (a Hinoki?) gathering dust from before they became the distributor of Makita.

How about Belmont (http://www.belmonttools.com/Products/Machinery/Band_Saws/band_saws.html). Do they ship to Manila?

Or you could make a frame saw.

[workbench]

Hey Bee,

There's a place in taytay that does nothing but resaw wood planks. They can easily split a 10" plank. I tried the resawing thing when I had a shop. Much easier to have it done by the pros. Resawing a 10" plank will require an 18" to 20" inch bandsaw. One I saw at Electrowerks costs about 75K. There's also the option for the regular 14" bandsaw with a 6" riser. But you'll have to order the riser from the U.S. Hope this helps.

[beebeenator]

makita no longer hold hinoki

elektrowerks ran out of band saws!!!!! how does thathappen! hahah

their 4 incher is 11k and their 6 incher is 23k and the 12-14 incher is 75k

[beebeenator]

Or you could make a frame saw.

whatsa fram saw,, i am interested :)

[timber715]

if you happen to be in Mayon, look for Koko, he should be able to help you regarding Hinoki Ben. yes, they no longer have it under their wing, but they still have stock in another location (so I was told)...

[timber715]

whatsa fram saw,, i am interested :)
Frame saw (http://www.hyperkitten.com/woodworking/frame_saw.php3) ;) ;) ;)

[JayL]

I'll probably choose the frame saw and some good blades instead of a clunky fly by night band saw .... :cool: and save the money too. But if it's real good band saw then that's another story.

[beebeenator]

hmmmm what blade shopuld i get? a band saw blade?

[timber715]

hmmmm what blade shopuld i get? a band saw blade?
yes, bandsaw blades are the one used for them...

[moji]

I wonder if Owyn was able to build his frame saw already?

[timber715]

I wonder if Owyn was able to build his frame saw already?
I know he's been using one since last year Moji, to resaw kamagong...

[beebeenator]

resawing by hand...... thats ... INSANE for me... hehehe... on a kamagong... ilang calories nabuburn nun? :)

I realized i dont need to resaw the narra treads i have... but i would like to resaw some other stuff.

if resawing can be done, with a clamp and steady hands, you could resaw out with a straight edge na diba? in essenced jointed edge?

ok for some reason i cant find a plan for a framesaw online... @#$%$@#%

[beebeenator]

will visit mytools this week to ask for taiwan band saws.... probably the same price as torq though.

torq's table saw is almost identical to jet jts 315s... maybe oem?

[vinch]

where can i buy new band saw blades? madami akong blades kaso napuputol din agad kapag pinapahinang ko.

[timber715]

where can i buy new band saw blades? madami akong blades kaso napuputol din agad kapag pinapahinang ko.
ARQ hardware in T. Alonso sells and welds them for you... I know there are other stores there that will do the service for you too... just check the stores first so you can get the best options.

[vinch]

thanks sir!

[willyfernando]

where can i buy new band saw blades? madami akong blades kaso napuputol din agad kapag pinapahinang ko.

Hey Vinch, I was at MARIO'S MERCHANDISING in Soler corner Florlentino Torres to buy TS blades and I found out that they have Bandsaw blades made in England and Germany. They also solder and sharpen blades. Check them out. maybe they could help.

[timber715]

what else did you find Willy?

[willyfernando]

Good morning Sir Timber, I bought the FLAI TS blades as planned. They're not exactly cheap (4k-7k for 12" and 14") but i hope they are worth it. They have excellent planer knives, OHIO, FLAI, and also in HSS and Carbides platform. I plan to go back on monday coz i was in a bit of rush when i went there.

[willyfernando]

Sir Timber, they also have a lot cutters for DADO, shapers, and lots of milling stuff including chainsaw parts. I think they are premium importers of wood milling supplies. I am excited to go back. I'll see what other "golden" find they have and i will tell you.

[timber715]

Good morning Sir Timber, I bought the FLAI TS blades as planned. They're not exactly cheap (4k-7k for 12" and 14") but i hope they are worth it. They have excellent planer knives, OHIO, FLAI, and also in HSS and Carbides platform. I plan to go back on monday coz i was in a bit of rush when i went there.
Thanks Willy, hope we will see you saturday... do post your review on the Flai blades...

[timber715]

btw, do they have Flai router bits too?

[owyn]

Hey Vinch, I was at MARIO'S MERCHANDISING in Soler corner Florlentino Torres to buy TS blades and I found out that they have Bandsaw blades made in England and Germany. They also solder and sharpen blades. Check them out. maybe they could help.

Ooh, great info. Thanks for posting that =)

[willyfernando]

Ooh, great info. Thanks for posting that =)

Hi Owyn, More info to come on monday. Hinoki used to be my supplier of industrial milling needs but ever since they went in to acrylic tops and built-in cabs they have been lacking both in supplies and service. Sayang magaganda pa naman their items even if it was Taiwan made.

[timber715]

going back to the topic Willy, can you recommend a bandsaw locally? one that has resaw capacity of 12 is desired with as little footprint as possible (14" wheels would be perfect) and well priced would be better too :D

[willyfernando]

going back to the topic Willy, can you recommend a bandsaw locally? one that has resaw capacity of 12 is desired with as little footprint as possible (14" wheels would be perfect) and well priced would be better too :D

I have searched far and wide for local suppliers and they still lead me back to old, japanese and US made models. I have a friend who will let go of his Delta Bandsaw. Its an old but original CI bandsaw. The truth is with recent models I've seen, the flywheel balances wander off after a few weeks of use. Will you be doing a lot of re-sawing and curves?

[timber715]

I have searched far and wide for local suppliers and they still lead me back to old, japanese and US made models. I have a friend who will let go of his Delta Bandsaw. Its an old but original CI bandsaw. The truth is with recent models I've seen, the flywheel balances wander off after a few weeks of use. Will you be doing a lot of re-sawing and curves?
well I do get lots of my wood rough from Cebu and I am having a hard time dimensioning them... a Bandsaw isn't in my immediate list as I will be cash strapped once my speakers arrive... but given several months down the line, I will definitely get one.

[willyfernando]

Just drop by my shop anytime if you need heavy re-sawing and bandsaw cuts. I'd be happy to help cut from 16" deep down to the smallest depth and curve. I can convince my friend to unload his old delta for about 30K. just needs a few tweaks but i'm sure its a good find.

[timber715]

please reserve it na for me... pending inspection of course. I'm sure lots will pm you about this


thanks Willy, I will take your offer on one of these days... hehehe :D

[willyfernando]

please reserve it na for me... pending inspection of course. I'm sure lots will pm you about this


thanks Willy, I will take your offer on one of these days... hehehe :D

anytime Sir Timber. Actually, the bandsaw was intended for me. I love machine restorations and this baby was supposed to be my next kya lang heavy ang work ko ngayn kya sayang. all it needs is a lil TLC and a lil tweak and cosmetic paint and you have a very rigid bandsaw. Mga 12" depth clear pa sya. (new WIP?, Machine resto - I plan to post one in the future.) IF restored will easily fetch around 50K, hmm......;)

[timber715]

hmmm, now you got me excited ;D I don't mind tweaking, I'm sure I will even if was brand new anyway.... what size are the wheels? ah basta, please reserve :D

[willyfernando]

mga 20" ang fly wheel. 2hp single phase 220v 60hz. multispeed by interchangeable pulleys. I have to restore ksi a 3-in-1 japanese sash unit ( thicknesser/jointer/TS packed together as one.) kya di ko maasikaso. Wag mo nang palampasin ksi sayang.

[timber715]

mga 20" ang fly wheel. 2hp single phase 220v 60hz. multispeed by interchangeable pulleys. I have to restore ksi a 3-in-1 japanese sash unit ( thicknesser/jointer/TS packed together as one.) kya di ko maasikaso. Wag mo nang palampasin ksi sayang.
brader, promise hinding hindi lalampas yan... if the person has a deadline to sell it let me know... I will sell my car to get that :p:p:p


Dang 20"... :D

[willyfernando]

You'd be surprised what an arsenal of heavy machines you can raise for the price of power tools. kya nga mas hilig ko resto ksi i get to experience good, efficient and well engineered machines with no complicated parts, just raw power. The rest is left to the craftsman. plus rewarding pa on da budget.

[timber715]

definitely, good thing I am quite mechanically adept... I love a good restoration as well. btw, do you have the model number for the saw?

[willyfernando]

brader, promise hinding hindi lalampas yan... if the person has a deadline to sell it let me know... I will sell my car to get that :p:p:p


Dang 20"... :D

No need to sell the horse, i can purchase it for you para d na makuha ng iba. if you find it not suitable for your taste when you see it i can always go back to my original plan of restoration. I still would love to get my hands dirty on this one kya no worries.

[timber715]

I really don't think I will pass :D...

[willyfernando]

Pls ckeck your table top if those are Tears of joy or drool marks....hehehe.

[timber715]

Pls ckeck your table top if those are Tears of joy or drool marks....hehehe.
definitely drool marks... since that is variable speed, I need to change shorts too :eek:

[willyfernando]

hahaha....ako na bahala sa unit. just wait for my PM in the coming days. mga next week wednesday nsa shop ko na yon kung susuwertehin tayo.

[timber715]

sige, usap tayo sabado... I'm going to bed wide awake... :eek: :eek: :eek:

[willyfernando]

PM me your email add and i wil ask my friend to send us pics. Ok my friend, i will see you on saturday kahit sandali lang. i have to get some shut eyes too. Regards.

[timber715]

just wondering Beebenator, will these blades fit your bandsaw? :D
http://www.thisiscarpentry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/100_2010_1.jpg

[JayL]

Hahahahhahah ... I wonder how big the band saw for this blade will be. Grabe.

[balarila]

Also, what on earth are they cutting? Sequoias?

[timber715]

that is what they use in the toothpick factory... hahahaha :D

[jonathanscruz68]

ha ha ha !!! si ossie talaga...:p

yan pa ang isang na miss ko sayo ehh...8)

[balarila]

Bandsaw Ignorance question: When a bandsaw is specified as 14-inch, what does it mean?

[violaine]

resaw height

[balarila]

Sorry. Really ignorant about this. Is the resaw height equivalent to the length of the exposed blade? If so, does this mean longer is better? Thanks.

[timber715]

Bandsaw Ignorance question: When a bandsaw is specified as 14-inch, what does it mean?
resaw height
unfortunately it is not the resaw height Doc, 14" specifies the wheel size of the bandsaws...

Sorry. Really ignorant about this. Is the resaw height equivalent to the length of the exposed blade? If so, does this mean longer is better? Thanks.
yes, the blade exposed is the resaw height (or better known as the cut capacity), it does not mean that the longer it is that it is better but it is desired if you do resawing thick or wide boards.

[timber715]

here is a nice thread about Grizzly, Rikon and Delta bandsaws as reviewed by a woodnetter... all of which he owned... :consoling2:

[balarila]

here is a nice thread about Grizzly, Rikon and Delta bandsaws as reviewed by a woodnetter... all of which he owned... :consoling2:

Hmmm...I'm on the road with my iPad so I'm using the mobile version of this site. Can't seem to access the hyperlinks on this version. Care to post the link explicitly? Thanks.

[JayL]

I don't see a link posted by Timber too.

[timber715]

I don't see a link posted by Timber too.
how will you see it, I forgot to post it eh :branch:eto na... "forgot my meds" (http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=5364824&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=)

[balarila]

What bandsaw blades do people here use often? I've read about guides in selecting bandsaw blades but di not have any experience.

For example, if (and it's a big IF) I had a bandsaw, would it be a good idea to have a resaw blade (1/2", 3TPI) and one for the curves at 1/4" 10+TPI?

Just thought if I were to get a bandsaw, I should have the blades already. I'd probably be using a bandsaw to slice wood and also do some curve cutting (e.g. wood porthole frames, gaff jaws)

[timber715]

What bandsaw blades do people here use often? I've read about guides in selecting bandsaw blades but di not have any experience.

For example, if (and it's a big IF) I had a bandsaw, would it be a good idea to have a resaw blade (1/2", 3TPI) and one for the curves at 1/4" 10+TPI?

Just thought if I were to get a bandsaw, I should have the blades already. I'd probably be using a bandsaw to slice wood and also do some curve cutting (e.g. wood porthole frames, gaff jaws)
3 or 4 tpi for resaw with a width of 1/2" to 3/4" is fine Ding, for curve cutting 1/4" with 10tpi is ok too. sakto na yan sa Grizzly :banana1::banana1::banana1:

[balarila]

Help!

Been trying to get some productive use of my Rikon bandsaw but the dang blade seems to have a mind of its own. Mine seems to have an extreme blade drift that the angle of feed is about 20degrees already. Tried aligning the wheels but only marginal improvement.

What's worse, on a long run, my cuts curve. Seems like the blade twists at some point. Been doing test cuts only as I'm afraid I'll ruin some good lumber when I resaw.

Using the stock blade for now. I have two other, much better blades, Resaw King and a thin one for curves. But I thought I should make the stock blade work first and practice feeding before I switch.

Any advice? Is there some technique I'm missing here?
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[joey81]

Makapag-miron sandali.

Ding, have you tried adjusting the blade tension? Maybe its too loose.

[balarila]

I have. Even went to the next size's tension. Also checked the wheels' coplanarity.

But I tried to retrace my steps and think I know the culprit. I had actually done some succesful straight cuts before, then went for an Agoo log. The log snagged a few times and the blade started going astray. I think I may have hit a burl or some hard part in the log that may have caused the blade to deform.

Will change the blade when I get home later and see if there's any improvement.

Thanks.
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[JayL]

I have. Even went to the next size's tension. Also checked the wheels' coplanarity.

But I tried to retrace my steps and think I know the culprit. I had actually done some succesful straight cuts before, then went for an Agoo log. The log snagged a few times and the blade started going astray. I think I may have hit a burl or some hard part in the log that may have caused the blade to deform.

Will change the blade when I get home later and see if there's any improvement.

Thanks.
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Looks like a good move to me. At least the new blades can rule out blade problem in the trouble shooting equation.

[timber715]

first thing to do Ding... throw the stock blade away and never use it again. Install the new blade you have and be happy.

[violaine]

when i saw timber feeding effortlessly a piece of 2x into his rikon armed with the woodslicer blade, i said to myself, i am going to save for this nice piece of woodworking machine...

sad to say i havent saved a bit yet...but i hope in due time..

hehe

V

[balarila]

That did it! Thanks, Timber.

I just replaced the blade and I was cutting thick slabs like slicing butter on a hot day.

Sweet!
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[timber715]

was the butter hot too?

[balarila]

He-he.

This band saw really rocks. Even woke up at 4 this morning just to do some more cutting. Buti na lang, it's a lot quieter than my table saw. I was cutting away before dawn while everyone's still asleep!

[balarila]

Happily band sawing for several days now when, this afternoon, Wham!

Something happened. Big kaboom and my wood is split, blade twisted and jammed. Immediately after unplugging, I counted my fingers. All there. No blood anywhere. Ok. Time to investigate.

Apparently, the lower blade guide assembly came loose, causing the plastic guard to stray into the blade's path. Blade's useless. One bearing scratched but still ok. Plastic blade guard is torn. Nothing else seems broken. But I'll have to inspect closely tomorrow in bright light. Will also need to check all alignment. Already got in touch with Rikon for replacement parts.

Luckily, my brother from the US is visiting me in 2 weeks so he can courier some parts for me.

I think the lower blade roller/guard assembly has been loose since delivery since I never touched it. Continuous use progressively got it loose. Lesson? Tighten everything. Even the components that came pre-assembled should be checked. The clearances among moving parts in a bandsaw are so small that room for error is tiny.
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[timber715]

that is correct, I always check every adjustment is in order... even when I am excited to run my tools. I did have problems with the lower bearing block too.