all about Air Compressors

[timber715]

I recently got myself a Vespa 2hp compressor and learned a lot on how to correctly choose the correct one since there are countless imitation.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0042-1.jpg
the motor specs...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0044.jpg
and comes equipped with safety features...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0045.jpg
the overall specs...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0043-1.jpg

[timber715]

the hardwares...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0048-1.jpg
installing the water separator/regulator valve.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0049.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0050.jpg
sealing and replacing the fitting to my needs.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0053.jpg

[timber715]

hosing the line to pass the separator...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0054-1.jpg
replacing the rear wheels.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0056-1.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0058.jpg
the almost finished compressor...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0059-1.jpg

[timber715]

comparing before and after...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0042-1.jpg
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0060.jpg
tomorrow, I make sure the pulleys are aligned and tightened as preferred.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0047-1.jpg

[violaine]

wow timb!

wow talaga!

we see future here hehe.

[timber715]

Thanks Doc, I hope your health is improving... we always include you in our prayers.

going back to the tweak. the most difficult thing to do on the compressor is adjusting the belt. it is also one of the main causes of noise and vibration. I did try to tighten the belt and in doing so saw the motor and pulley to be out of square. hmmm, no I know why there is so much noise (though not loud).
first I saw the pulley locking screw is made of the ordinary ones you find (maybe the cheapest) and it is terribly bent out of shape.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0069-1.jpg
I removed it and replaced it with a stainless equivalent.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0070-1.jpg
after an hour of trial and error, I gave up and thought of a better way to tighten and align the belt.
I first drill two 5/16" holes on the adjustment bar underneath the motor.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0075-1.jpg
then mounted two scrap piece of angled bar (forgot the term) to align with the holes I made.
.http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0079-1.jpg

[timber715]

added the screws and nuts...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0081-1.jpg
now it aligns much easier and gets the belt tightened to previously unachievable tightness.
I still want everything to align perfectly, but for now I have to wait till Friday to borrow the laser level... :D

[JayL]

Nice mod Timb. I bet you can align the motor now without much pulling and pushing. :) Have you found the replacement belt too?

How long are the adjustment screws?

The stock screws on the mounting base are also crap. I broke one in half while aligning my compressor's motor.

[timber715]

not yet, sent the Mitsuboshi guy for info, still hasn't replied. most probably pass by his store bukas.

[timber715]

were in skype, everyone is invited to join. look me up... timber715

[targa]

guys im planning to buy a compressor...
i want to use it sa bahay lang for tires ng kotse...

ano po difference ng belted sa direct coupled?

in the future i want to do some home diy jobs.. like some painting...
kaya napo kaya ito ng 1/4hp?

medyo malaki po difference ng 1/4hp sa 1/2hp eh

the ones i saw are:
vespa belted 1/4hp 36litersaround 4500 (bnew)
vespa direct coupled 2hp 25litersaround 6t (bnew)
spear and jackson direct coupled 1hp 6liter 3.5t (xgood from australia)

which is best buy kaya?

why mura po pag coupled???
pwede naba 1/4hp? or should i invest for a better one?
what gadgets do i have to buy? gusto ko po sana yung baril... para pag may lilinisin ako baril baril nalang..
primary purpose ko lang naman is to inflate tires... madami nako nasisirang portable... malaki na nagagastos ko sa mga portable.. hehe

[spyghost]

hi,

i got a few hits pertaining to compressors on his board. very informative i should say.

now, another question of my own. does hp rating of the compressor relate to the cfm?

i am planning on getting vespa from ey as suggested by JayL. my target use of the compressor is air tools - 1/2" drive impact wrench, 1/2" or 3/8" ratchet, die grinder, and sander.

- is 2 hp enough for this purpose? i bet what's needed for air tools is something more that what is required.
- what wiring should i consider for powering the compressor? gauge? and breaker rating? obviously i'll be lining up a new one for this

[JayL]

I would not go lower than the 2 HP Vespa and bump it up from the factory 100 psi pressure setting to 115 psi then regulate &/ filter ( moisture ) at 90 psi output. Enough to drive the Impact Wrenches and Air Ratchets. The air die grinder and sander would be another story. These would run but at some point in the job you'll have to wait for the compressor to fully charge to get the tool's full working capacities.

You can cheat though in order to get more run time. Wait for the compressor to charge and just before it reaches the cut off point start the tools and run the compressor at 100% duty cycle till it can't cope up anymore. Then wait again and repeat the cycle. That's what I do till I get another to 2 to 5 hp compressor to connect in series with my current one.

Hope this helps.

Try Best Achievers maybe they can give you a better deal. I got mine from them as well as the 2 hp I have at Autospeed.

[spyghost]

nowadays, what's the score with the 2 hp vespa's?

where's best achiever's?

would it help if a larger tank would be used?

how do you spot a fake vespa from that of the original one?

[bryant77]

average CFM (cubic ft/min) 25% duty cycle @ 90 psi

1/2" drive impact wrench - 4.5 CFM
1/2" or 3/8" ratchet - 4 CFM
die grinder - 6 CFM
sander - 7 CFM

*Those are estimate CFM ratings only. Check your tools for actual CFM.

@spyghost

Selection a compressor will depends on how will you use the tools. business or hobby?

If hobby for sure one at a time lang ang gamit mo ng air tools. You can use, for example:

Powercraft air compressor vertical type

Motor power input: 2.5 HP
Cylinder head: 2 X 65mm
Airflow: 9.0 CFM
Working pressure: 85-115 PSI
Tank Capacity: 115 Liters
Motor Speed: 1100 RPM

If you will use Vespa check mo na lang yun compressor rating sa nameplate that will satisfy your requirement.

Also critical din yun air tools working pressure dapat pasok din sa working pressure ng compressor mo.

[bryant77]

nowadays, what's the score with the 2 hp vespa's?

where's best achiever's?

would it help if a larger tank would be used?

how do you spot a fake vespa from that of the original one?

Is there a fake Vespa?

Actually I have a 1/4 hp vespa compressor bought from E.Y. way back 2006 still running good. My Brother-in-law also has a 1/4 hp vespa compressor too on our garage. Upon inspecting they are not the same (built).

[JayL]

Is there a fake Vespa?

Actually I have a 1/4 hp vespa compressor bought from E.Y. way back 2006 still running good. My Brother-in-law also has a 1/4 hp vespa compressor too on our garage. Upon inspecting they are not the same (built).

Yes looks like not all Vespas are created equal. My 1 Hp is now around 2 years and still going fine. Roughly around 20 hours a week of normal usage and could go more if I'm spray painting.

I always drain it after use.

[ossie]

fake Vespa can be spotted thru its color, the color of the tank and motor, pls refer to "all about air compressor thread" for pictures.

imho, this thread should be merged to the said previous thread, no offense meant...peace

[timber715]

fake Vespa can be spotted thru its color, the color of the tank and motor, pls refer to "all about air compressor thread" for pictures.

imho, this thread should be merged to the said previous thread, no offense meant...peace
That is correct Ossie, what's the point opening a new one since it still relates to compressors...
threads merged!

[spyghost]

are these kinds of air compressors repairable/rebuildable?

[JayL]

are these kinds of air compressors repairable/rebuildable?

I was informed that parts are readily available but so far have not needed any for the past 2 years.

[spyghost]

ok, what i had in mind is getting a used/surplus, higher cfm rating one and rebuild if necessary

[ossie]

as long its not abused by previous owner thats good.

if you will ask me about this and you will use for sensitive job like spray painting, ill go for the brand new one - for peace of mind while using it. not worrying that it might fail during the middle of your work. even the new ones failing sometimes , but its different thing :)

[JayL]

ok, what i had in mind is getting a used/surplus, higher cfm rating one and rebuild if necessary

If I had a budget of 40 to 60K this is what I would do. Used Devillbis, Speedaire, and Hitachi Bebicons available in the market ranging from 3 to 5 HP and 60 to 80 gallons capacity at these price ranges. I was informed by one of my machine shop owner friend that there is a place somewhere in 10th Ave dealing in bigger surplus air compressors. He himself got a slightly used Speedaire ( 80 Gal Horizontal Tank / 5 HP single Phase / Twin Pump ) for 60K.

Air compressors are somewhat overpriced here. In the USA one can get a brand new Ingersoll Rand 5 HP 60 Gal for around 53K give and take a bit more depending on configuration.

The Vespa 5 HP dual stage compressor I saw in LYS looks sturdy too but is priced round 45K. I reckon it will not be less than 60 Gal and has a horizontal tank.

Powercraft has some models too in the 20-30K range but with lesser tank capacities.

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/1005994/Powercraft+air+compressor+2+stage+vertical+type?re ferralKeywords=air+compressor

[spyghost]

what would be the trade-offs between cfm and tank capacity?

i am also playing with the idea of getting a compressor, motor and tank separately and build them myself. in that way, any benefits of this route?

[benQ]

what would be the trade-offs between cfm and tank capacity?

i am also playing with the idea of getting a compressor, motor and tank separately and build them myself. in that way, any benefits of this route?

Im also thinking of doing this.
I remembered last year when i saw compressors in one surplus shop that sells it by the kilo, it only reached around 15k. From the way it looked i think it only needs cleaning, changing oil and repainting.
These same kind of compressors are now being sold at around 30k , already reconditioned.

[benQ]

I saw one of these japan surplus shop selling reconditioned compressors. I asked for their cheapest and smallest compressor available. This one sells for 30k(negotiable).
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/BenQuatto/Compressors/DSC00479.jpg
This is the type and configuration of compressors that i saw a year ago being sold per kilo which would be around 12-15k.

[benQ]

the engine nameplate
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/BenQuatto/Compressors/DSC00476.jpg

[benQ]

tank name plate
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/BenQuatto/Compressors/DSC00484.jpg

[benQ]

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/BenQuatto/Compressors/DSC00485.jpg

[benQ]

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/BenQuatto/Compressors/DSC00478.jpg

[benQ]

They are also selling these, without tanks.

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/BenQuatto/Compressors/DSC00490.jpg

[john-jo]

the engine nameplate
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy337/BenQuatto/Compressors/DSC00476.jpg

Nameplate seems to indicate its a 3 phase motor, not for house hold use...

[spyghost]

where's this located?

[elexcis]

Can we ask for the location where you saw these compressors. ? Thanks

[benQ]

Dalandanan, Valenzuela.
Along MacArthur Hway. There are about 5 of these shops on around 1 km stretch.

[benQ]

Nameplate seems to indicate its a 3 phase motor, not for house hold use...
I actually asked about it. They said 3phase is better if i will have a choice. (hmm. im thinking of getting a rotary converter - which is around 3k - also among the shops in that area)
Since these are heavy duty machines. They usually assume that it is for industrial use. If you want to use it for hobby, they can change the motor to single phase for a 220v feed in your house.

[JayL]

@BenQ

Bro thanks for sharing.

Did you get chance to hear the compressors power up and run? How's the noise level and charge time?

Thanks,

Jay

[spyghost]

- is PSI related to CFM?
- when a compressor specs says something about xx hp, is that the compressor or the motor?
- what's the impact of swapping components between compressors?
-- same compressor, but swap to a larger motor
-- same motor, but swap to a larger compressor

just thought of it... washing machine motor? :P

[violaine]

i am planning to get a 2.5HP direct drive air compressor worth 14K...it is well built.

pero what's the main difference ba sa belt driven type?

i am planning to use this compressor for house wall painting.

id like to make use of acrylic paints (siliconized) like davies rain and shine and the like.

wondering if the gun and the compressor can deliver those water based paints into fine mist.

got no experience yet.

brush is time consuming but i am used to it.

so i would like to hear from those with real experience with these materials and perhaps get some practical personal tips.

salamat

[moji]

Do those types of acrylic paints have the same consistency as that of latex?

[JayL]

I think latex will require bigger gun tips like a 2.2mm.

Compressors can have say a rated cfm at a given psi. What I found out is it is important that it can maintain that output. What's the use of 9 cfm if it only last a few minutes. That's why we need compressors with bigger tanks and bigger motors and bigger pumps. :)

[violaine]

does it mean HVLP is the way to go? bigger tanks will mean bigger space and they wont be handy.

the anest iwata has a paint tank and i wonder how much it can cost.

thanks

[JayL]

does it mean HVLP is the way to go? bigger tanks will mean bigger space and they wont be handy.

the anest iwata has a paint tank and i wonder how much it can cost.

thanks

Try calling Machine Banks for Iwata Products. They also have Iwata Air Compressors.

Binondo - 242-0868
G. Araneta Ave - 711-3751

The 2.2mm Tip W-77 Conventional Spray Gun I posted cost around 10-12K. It is also available at Hans Shang.

[benQ]

@BenQ

Bro thanks for sharing.

Did you get chance to hear the compressors power up and run? How's the noise level and charge time?

Thanks,

Jay

I did not try anything on the units aside from taking pictures. I asked for the CFM but the guy in the shop doesnt know what CFM is. He is instead asking me to run it. Although im tempted to get and compute the CFM myself. I just refuse since i do not really intend to buy yet.

[benQ]

- is PSI related to CFM?
- when a compressor specs says something about xx hp, is that the compressor or the motor?
- what's the impact of swapping components between compressors?
-- same compressor, but swap to a larger motor
-- same motor, but swap to a larger compressor

just thought of it... washing machine motor? :P


I think cfm is the amount of air in minute that would take the compressor to reach an ideal psi.

HP together with rpm,single/3 phase, refers to the motor.
Compressor is about oil lubed,oil-less, piston,rotary,loud/silent

I would like also to learn how to move these parts appropriately especially on swapping tanks cus somehow im thinking if i did not do it right either the tank or the compressor heads will blow.

[bryant77]

Any one knows whose the authorized distributor/service center of Vespa compressor. Our 1/4 HP compressor doesn't pump air to the tank.

E.Y Industrial Sales rejected to service the unit since it was not bought from them. The unit I had is already 11 years and it's different from E.Y. compressor.

[JayL]

Just happened to see one of this in person today. It isn't built like a tank but looks like it could be another choice considering the price compared to the 35-65K surplus available which I think are outrageously priced.

The problem with buying used compressors is you can't be sure about the tank. Previous owner might not drain it regularly or it had been on stock idle for sometime that rust developed in the tank. It could pose some real danger.

25.5K

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/1005994/Powercraft+air+compressor+2+stage+vertical+type?re ferralKeywords=powercraft+air+compressor

[jarod]

Small footprint as well. Yun nga lang if only you could buy the tank and slap a good surplus compressor head.

[JayL]

Small footprint as well. Yun nga lang if only you could buy the tank and slap a good surplus compressor head.

The tank is only 150 liters but the pump pressure can go 175 psi which means more air capacity. The pump two is dual stage too ( 3 pistons setup )

[JayL]

This Ingersoll Rand Air Compressor looks like it has good air output for a 3 HP unit. 11.3 CFM @ 90 PSI. At $599 it cost the same as a 4 HP Powercraft ( 27K pesos ) pumping 6.7 CFM @ 90 PSI.

Update : This Ingersoll Rand compressor is available locally for 57K after discount - IR Model SS3L3. The 5 HP model SS5L5 is 105K pesos.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/1592027_lg.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/1592027_1_lg.jpg


http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_158284_158284

http://www.northerntool.com/downloads/manuals/1592027.pdf

Let see how much it will cost to ship it here in the Philippines and if shipping is the real deal breaker.

Here's the Powercraft 4 HP. Bottom of Page.

http://www.toolsfromus.com/pc_portable_ac.htm

[moji]

You planning on upgrading your compressor Jay?

[JayL]

You planning on upgrading your compressor Jay?

For now not yet but am looking at options whenever I get chance. Local compressor prices are really ridiculous for the higher CFM class.

If I am not mistaken the IR posted above has 100% Duty Cycle.

[moji]

I wonder what the CFM rating is for @40psi? Must be pretty high..but at 300lbs and for its size i would think the shipping price might be close to the compressor itself..

[JayL]

I wonder what the CFM rating is for @40psi? Must be pretty high..but at 300lbs and for its size i would think the shipping price might be close to the compressor itself..

If it could be shipped for $200 plus change then it would be a good buy. Let's see when the quote comes.

I also contacted local Ingersoll Rand to get some price quotes. It's good to know all options considering scond hand run in the 40-60K range for these sizes.

[JayL]

Air compressor shipping charges from the USA are not very attractive ( whew is all I can say ) . Likewise these type of items are already taxable here.

That said I opted to local purchase a 2nd hand Speedaire 4B236B. It's a 3 HP 60 Gal unit pumping 10.3 cfm@90 psi ( barely enough to drive a Graco Finex 3000 spray gun ) or 9.0 cfm @135 psi. These older Speedaire compressors were actually built in the USA by Campbell Hausfeld. The motor is by Dayton USA.

The pressure switch is not working ( damaged during shipment ) so I'll need to order a replacement from the US or hunt one locally. For now I'm still undecided if I want to fully rebuild the compressor. From how it stands as is looks like the unit was not used that much and is still in excellent shape.

Here are some pics.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/GJ/IMGP2623.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/GJ/IMGP2625.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/GJ/IMGP2624.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/GJ/3-3.jpg

https://www.acklandsgrainger.com/AGIPortalWeb/WebSource/Main/globalSearch.do

[JayL]

It came with some freebies too.

A 50 ft 3/8" rubber hose, a Chicago Pneumatic 3/8" air drill ( w a stuck up trigger )

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/GJ/IMGP2621.jpg

a Craftsman Pro Electric Cord Reel 110V w/ overload breaker ( metal casing model and not plastic )

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/GJ/IMGP2620.jpg

and a Speedaire pressure regulator and air tool oiler combo

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/GJ/IMGP2622.jpg

All in all today's not a bad tool hunting day .... :)

[JayL]

I started tinkering with the compressor and accessories.

I was surprised to find clean and still white filters. Either the unit was very slightly used or the filters were replaced prior to shipping. The seller informed that the items were on storage for quite some time already. So far so good.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2628.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2627.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2629.jpg

Not a trace of oil in the oiler too ... looks unused.

[moji]

uy you finally got it..

how much did the shipping quote from the states cost?

[JayL]

uy you finally got it..

how much did the shipping quote from the states cost?

2000 USD for this : Irregular shape cargo measuring 42 x 42 x 81 inches LWH. Weight = 500 lbs. Price quoted by Johnny Air Ocean cargo

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200350475_200350475

http://www.johnnyair.com/?page=44

I did not check other forwarders. I'm sure they'll be in the same range more or less. This shipment is not a balikbayan box type shipment which are tax free as well.

If you want these sizes of cargo then better get a 40 ft container. Cheaper. Compressor Group buy ? :eek:

I need one more filter / regulator for the spray guns. Planning the setup now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200585214418&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/debilvissjpl.jpg

[moji]

wow...shipping is even more than the compressor hehe...
Mas mura ba 40ft container? May tax pa cguro yun ano?

[JayL]

wow...shipping is even more than the compressor hehe...
Mas mura ba 40ft container? May tax pa cguro yun ano?

Considering the items you could place inside a 40 ft container then it will come out cheaper when the cost is spread out.

I think I have too many air hoses already. I might put the Colorite 3/8" 50 ft hose ( Made in USA ) on the classifieds section to sell it.

This by the way is a good mid range air hose reel. The spring action is strong which is one of the features one would look and want in an air hose reel.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002LQ7WKM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/ahreel.jpg

[JayL]

Does anybody know a Binondo store that sells mostly parts for Air Compressors such as Pressure Switches?

Thanks

[willyfernando]

Does anybody know a Binondo store that sells mostly parts for Air Compressors such as Pressure Switches?

Thanks

This might help. JOMERO INDUSTRIAL SALES, 676 Tomas Mapua St. Sta. Cruz, Manila. Look for Mr. Jose Tan. Tel no. 7336881 / 7359307. I get all my compressor parts from them. They even fabricate parts that are impossible to find. They have parts for IR, Quincy,Hitachi and more. Even if you don't get the original pressure switch model he has excellent alternatives for your unit.

[joey81]

2000 USD for this : Irregular shape cargo measuring 42 x 42 x 81 inches LWH. Weight = 500 lbs. Price quoted by Johnny Air Ocean cargo


FWIW, a colleague of mine had a gas range shipped from San Diego to Paranaque for $300. Balikbayan box style (tax free).

I don't know the dimensions and weight of the gas range, but I think its roughly the same as the high-end 4-burner gas ranges sold locally (with oven underneath).

Shipping company is Badua International
http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Badua.International.858-695-9895

[JayL]

This might help. JOMERO INDUSTRIAL SALES, 676 Tomas Mapua St. Sta. Cruz, Manila. Look for Mr. Jose Tan. Tel no. 7336881 / 7359307. I get all my compressor parts from them. They even fabricate parts that are impossible to find. They have pats for IR, Quincy,Hitachi and more. Even if you don;t get the original pressure switch model he has excellent alternatives for your unit.

Thanks for the info. I will try them out first. I just love this forum. The wealth of info available is growing steadily.

None the less if not locally available I found the Pressure Switch at Grainger.com already. It's $47.35 + $12.95 shipping.

[JayL]

FWIW, a colleague of mine had a gas range shipped from San Diego to Paranaque for $300. Balikbayan box style (tax free).

I don't know the dimensions and weight of the gas range, but I think its roughly the same as the high-end 4-burner gas ranges sold locally (with oven underneath).

Shipping company is Badua International
http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Badua.International.858-695-9895

Thanks. Will check them out. It's best to know all shipping options in case we need bigger items like band saws, contractor grade table saws, jointers etc...

I know there are cheaper ways to ship bigger stuff but have not fully checked them out yet. Links such as yours will be useful when I hunt them down.

[JayL]

Started to thinker with the pressure switch. Shot some pics for future reference as well as I'm going to take it off and bring it to Binondo to see what's available.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2634.jpg

Broken contact actuator arms.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2637.jpg

I could probably JB Weld these but prefer a new one for safety reasons. This part was sourced out by Campbell Hausfeld and it carries a CH manufacturer's part number.

I wonder if an original replacement is available at the source Willy posted. None the less an IR compatible part won't be a bad choice too.

I could use bigger gauges too if I find some.:)

[JayL]

The compressor is 66 inches tall.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2638.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2639.jpg

[violaine]

@jay,

what's your take on this vertical type powercraft compressor?
http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/513085/Powercraft+2.5hp+heavy+duty+air+compressor+%28vert ical+type%29+new+design%21?referralKeywords=powerc raft+compressor+vertical+type
i am not particularly adept to the specs but definitely for spray painting purposes lang.
thanks in advance.

[JayL]

@jay,

what's your take on this vertical type powercraft compressor?
http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/513085/Powercraft+2.5hp+heavy+duty+air+compressor+%28vert ical+type%29+new+design%21?referralKeywords=powerc raft+compressor+vertical+type
i am not particularly adept to the specs but definitely for spray painting purposes lang.
thanks in advance.

V

Here's the specs. Second to the last.

http://www.toolsfromus.com/pc_portable_ac.htm

That Powercraft pumps 6.7 cfm at 90 psi. Just make sure the spray guns you will choose are not air hogs. The Asturo gun that Timber has and the like will work with this compressor well.

However for the Finex 3000, Devilbiss Finishline series and most Iwata & Sata guns you will require at least 9-10 cfm. Something in the range of a 60 Gal 3 HP 10.3 cfm@90psi compressor much like the one I got. It will cope up but there will still be some lag in between when doing big pieces like a whole car. The best bet for these types of guns is a 5 HP 60 or 80 Gal compressor pumping 18 cfm@90 psi.

[JayL]

One of my worries was solved today. Considering that the Speedaire compressor had sat in storage for a long time, it would have wrecked rust havoc on the tank if it was stored with water still inside. The drain valve was intact ( untouched for a long time ) and when I drained the tank was absolutely dry.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2640.jpg

I took off the pressure switch already.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2642.jpg

The unit was built by Siemens Energy and Automation Inc. The spec sheet says that it's set to turn ON when pressure drops to 95 psi and turn OFF when pressure reaches 135 psi.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2644.jpg

Will probably bring it with me to Binondo next week to see if I can find a replacement.

I am tempted to give the compressor a new color. Probably the original one that the manufacturer uses. Campbell Hausfeld Blue. Maybe at a later date when I get all things working already.

[JayL]

Anybody seen some Air Compressor Synthetic Oils being sold in the malls?

Thanks

[timber715]

I think that painting it now, today is best :D while everything is waiting for parts and a=isn't connected to anything... go for it...

[willyfernando]

Started to thinker with the pressure switch. Shot some pics for future reference as well as I'm going to take it off and bring it to Binondo to see what's available.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2637.jpg

I could probably JB Weld these but prefer a new one for safety reasons. This part was built by Campbell Hausfeld and it carries a CH manufacturer's part number.

I wonder if an original replacement is available at the source Willy posted. None the less an IR compatible part won't be a bad choice too.

I could use bigger gauges too if I find some.:)

Had the same problem w/ one of my Quincy compressors and they sold me a replacement switch that worked fine. Though it was a different switch brand it did the job nonetheless. JOMERO might just have something that may work for you. You might want to browse at the shops around that street too. There are at least 4-6 shops dealing with Air tool parts as well as accessories. You just might find the gauge you want. I found a nice zinc alloy air valve to replace my old Vespa brass ball valves there.:p

[JayL]

I think that painting it now, today is best :D while everything is waiting for parts and a=isn't connected to anything... go for it...


http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/ch.jpg

[willyfernando]

Anybody seen some Air Compressor Synthetic Oils being sold in the malls?

Thanks
What I've been using is the kind of compressor oil they use for car aircons, You'll find them in car aircon and refrigeration supplies around the metro. They have them in 2 weight sizes, 4 & 5 GS i think is the term for it. I got them for around 5-700/ gallon. Very stable and good heat threshold.

[timber715]

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/ch.jpg
Go Jay Go :D

[violaine]

@jay,

many thanks bro for the enlightenment.

if space is a real problem id probably consider an HVLP.

[JayL]

Had the same problem w/ one of my Quincy compressors and they sold me a replacement switch that worked fine. Though it was a different switch brand it did the job nonetheless. JOMERO might just have something that may work for you. You might want to browse at the shops around that street too. There are at least 4-6 shops dealing with Air tool parts as well as accessories. You just might find the gauge you want. I found a nice zinc alloy air valve to replace my old Vespa brass ball valves there.:p

Which Quincy compressor do you have Willy? I originally wanted a Quincy but had to budget for other stuff I need so I opted for this cheaper Speedaire. This Quincy is US built and from what I read is one of the best compressor manufacturer in the United States.

The seller gave me a discount of 5K so I will be able to replace the switch. Which brand and how much is the one you got for your Quincy.

Thanks so much for giving valuable inputs on this compressor repair.

[JayL]

The compressor sounded ok and smooth when we tested it. None the less I inspected the pulleys to make sure all is well. I noticed that these were a lot better than the Vespa pulleys I have. Smoother casting and looks well balanced. I left the factory alignment as it is as it looks good. The belt looks new and no signs of cracking whatsoever.

A little spray of WD-40 and blowing of compressed air just to keep things shinny and clean.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2645.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2647.jpg

I have to do something about the feet. I don't want to bolt this to the floor. Will need something like hockey pucks ( which we might not have locally available ) or a type of suspension material I could use. Any suggestions.

None the less it sits well even like this when the motor and pumps are running.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2648.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2649.jpg

[JayL]

Go Jay Go :D

I'm having second thoughts Timb. If only Gerald is still here to do all the scraping and sanding then I would have definitely gone with new paint. Probably later when I get a new helper.

[timber715]

I have to do something about the feet. I don't want to bolt this to the floor. Will need something like hockey pucks ( which we might not have locally available ) or a type of suspension material I could use. Any suggestions.


nothing like some scrap plywood, a holesaw and a drill press can't make. round pucks 1 1/2" high so the bolts can be recessed and you have bun feet for it :p

[timber715]

bakit saan si Gerald? pinalayas mo brader? lol

[JayL]

nothing like some scrap plywood, a holesaw and a drill press can't make. round pucks 1 1/2" high so the bolts can be recessed and you have bun feet for it :p

How about half plywood and half hard rubber? There's a shop in Evangelista that makes all kinds and shapes of rubber products from used dump truck tires.

Here they made these lifter pads for me sometime ago.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP1959.jpg

[timber715]

How about half plywood and half hard rubber? There's a shop in Evangelista that makes all kinds and shapes of rubber products from used dump truck tires.

Here they made these lifter pads for me sometime ago.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP1959.jpg
even better Jay

[JayL]

I've decided to place a main air control valve at the compressor itself. Just in case I need to modify / trouble shoot the air distribution system when it's in place and operational already.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2651.jpg

These fittings are all in 1" , 3/4" and 1/2". I will be downsizing all these to 3/8".

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2650.jpg

[ossie]

@jay,
bagay na bagay ihanay sa Mig Miller mo, power of Blue hehe

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/ch.jpg

[JayL]

@jay,
bagay na bagay ihanay sa Mig Miller mo, power of Blue hehe

The power of green muna tayo OZ. Magastos hehehhehe

Used stuff. Always good to rebuild or recondition before use. The filter / pressure regulator.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/f-1.jpg

Here are some reasonably price liquid filled pressure gauges.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003D7LL3W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003D7LL3M/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

[JayL]

@ Willy

Called Jomera but seems like they only have Jap replacement pressure switches priced 6.5K above. He asked me to bring the sample also. None the less I decided to go ahead with an original replacement part from Speedaire. Cheaper by half but there will be a waiting time.

Thinking to get a Solberg Filter Silencer while I'm at it. This can help lessen the noise coming from the intake side.

Some Weskler liquid filled gauges would be nice as well.

Here's a sample install borrowed from GJ.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/2010-10-26_21-56-24_144.jpg

[willyfernando]

@ Willy

Called Jomera but seems like they only have Jap replacement pressure switches priced 6.5K above. He asked me to bring the sample also. None the less I decided to go ahead with an original replacement part from Speedaire. Cheaper by half but there will be a waiting time.

Thinking to get a Solberg Filter Silencer while I'm at it. This can help lessen the noise coming from the intake side.

Some Weskler liquid filled gauges would be nice as well.

Here's a sample install borrowed from GJ.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/2010-10-26_21-56-24_144.jpg

JOMERO is owned by an old guy who simply has a "AS PER SAMPLE ONLY" thinking. Part numbers are nothing to this person. When I lost hope explaining, describing what i needed over the phone, I decided to pay him a visit at his store and showed him the exact part i want and guess what? He found the part in just under 3 minutes. It was a simple piston ring for my Vespa 2hp 2000 model. It seems he is keen in looking for the parts if he sees it personally and you'd be amazed at the vast inventory of parts he has in his store. Btw, my Quincy is a 1939, I think, 208 model and he made the valve regulators for it plus a good Taiwanese Pressure switch named SNUA - HS. I got it for only 1,700 php. That purchase was last October 2010. No problems so far and my unit is working 10hrs continuously everyday since then. Besides, i think he doesn't even know how close the unit he quoted is to the one u need. :p

Btw, I really like those Solbergs. Those liquid filled gauges are available in the stores in T.Mapua.

[JayL]

@Willy

I ordered the Pressure Switch in Grainer just now. I thought it best to keep the compressor replacement parts all original since these are still available in the US market.

You mean Weksler gauges are available locally. How are the prices compared to amazon?

Planning to buy these. One for the compressor and one for the pressure regulator.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0037QFE1E/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003D7LL3W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Good up to 200 psi for future upgrades. I still want a Quincy and will be awaiting for a relative to ship a 40 ft container in the distant future and slip one in. For now I'm happy with what I have. I just could not do heavy air tool usage ( grinders & polishers / buffers) and most specially sand blasting which I had wanted to do for a long time now.

[willyfernando]

@Willy

I ordered the Pressure Switch in Grainer just now. I thought it best to keep the compressor replacement parts all original since these are still available in the US market.

You mean Weksler gauges are available locally. How are the prices compared to amazon?

Planning to buy these. One for the compressor and one for the pressure regulator.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0037QFE1E/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003D7LL3W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Good up to 200 psi for future upgrades. I still want a Quincy and will be awaiting for a relative to ship a 40 ft container in the distant future and slip one in. For now I'm happy with what I have. I just could not do heavy air tool usage ( grinders & polishers / buffers) and most specially sand blasting which I wanted to do for a long time now.

Not sure of the brand but I know it's US made. If i'm not mistaken i think it's NOSHOK, INC. My friend bought one for his 10hp Bebicon Compressor about a year back. He said it was in one of those stores in T.Mapua that sells a lot of Pneumatic and Hydraulic parts and accessories. There are about 4-6 stores of such kind in that street. not very hard to look for US made gauges. They do cost a bit more than Amazon maybe around 700-800 php but still no waiting period.:p

[willyfernando]

@Willy

I ordered the Pressure Switch in Grainer just now. I thought it best to keep the compressor replacement parts all original since these are still available in the US market.

Good up to 200 psi for future upgrades. I still want a Quincy and will be awaiting for a relative to ship a 40 ft container in the distant future and slip one in. For now I'm happy with what I have. I just could not do heavy air tool usage ( grinders & polishers / buffers) and most specially sand blasting which I had wanted to do for a long time now.
What is your actual requirement? Does it have to be US made? How Big is the real need? I have shipments of 40ftr. containers from Taiwan and China every 45-60 days to the Philippines. I can squeeze a Good Taiwanese if you like.. marami tayong contacts na industrial sellers doon 'coz we have a partner in Guangzhou who ships veneers to us everytime. we can ask his help to get us a good deal.

[JayL]

Not sure of the brand but I know it's US made. If i'm not mistaken i think it's NOSHOK, INC. My friend bought one for his 10hp Bebicon Compressor about a year back. He said it was in one of those stores in T.Mapua that sells a lot of Pneumatic and Hydraulic parts and accessories. There are about 4-6 stores of such kind in that street. not very hard to look for US made gauges. They do cost a bit more than Amazon maybe around 700-800 php but still no waiting period.:p


I think I'll go ahead with the Weksler as my compressor is still down and waiting for a pressure switch. Also the price is cheaper.

[JayL]

What is your actual requirement? Does it have to be US made? How Big is the real need? I have shipments of 40ftr. containers from Taiwan and China every 45-60 days to the Philippines. I can squeeze a Good Taiwanese if you like.. marami tayong contacts na industrial sellers doon 'coz we have a partner in Guangzhou who ships veneers to us everytime. we can ask his help to get us a good deal.

This is actually the one I want. For now the need is not that urgent as it would be used for DIY only and not for business.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200350475_200350475

None the less it's good to know you have sources. If the new auto shop branch we are planning will need a bigger compressor then I'll know whom to contact for direct purchases.

Thanks.

Guys you might want to check out bandsaws and jointers directly from Taiwan. Looks like Willy can procure these.

[willyfernando]

This is actually the one I want. For now the need is not that urgent as it would be used for DIY only and not for business.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200350475_200350475

None the less it's good to know you have sources. If the new auto shop branch we are planning will need a bigger compressor then I'll know whom to contact for direct purchases.

Thanks.

Guys you might want to check out bandsaws and jointers directly from Taiwan. Looks like Willy can procure these.

We are seriously studying bringing in reconditioned woodworking equipment 'coz a lot of companies closed shop in Taiwan and are now in liquidation mode. You know the OAV brand mentioned in another thread? We are talking to a company called JOWAY w/c has similarly built systems but sturdier. When my first batch arrives I will propose an eb to the group para maka 1st look (ehem...bid) kayo.;)

[JayL]

We are seriously studying bringing in reconditioned woodworking equipment 'coz a lot of companies closed shop in Taiwan and are now in liquidation mode. You know the OAV brand mentioned in another thread? We are talking to a company called JOWAY w/c has similarly built systems but sturdier. When my first batch arrives I will propose an eb to the group para maka 1st look (ehem...bid) kayo.;)

That would be another option for PHM woodworkers.

Willy are you familiar with the relationship of compressor cfm and air filter requirements. Say if I have a 10.3 cfm @ 90 psi compressor pump then does it necessarily mean the filter should be able to handle that much amount of air intake too..

Thinking of this product here for my unit. 12 cfm

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00153AIN0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A1LUAP0HMACNBW

but maybe this one is already enough for it. 10 cfm.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00153AIMQ/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_5?ie=UTF8&m=A1LUAP0HMACNBW

Thanks

[willyfernando]

Air intake filters should match the suction rate of your unit. Check the filters of both models of your choice and see if their micron filtration size or rating isn't more than 10%. If it is not more than 10% differential then go for the 12 SCFM filters.

[JayL]

Here is what Solberg has to say.

Thank you for your inquiry. The most important determinant of free air delivery (FAD) will be the diameter of the inlet orifice. In this case your inlet is 1/2". The FS-06-050 is the standard filter recommended for the Speedaire compressor model # 4B236. It is possible to substitute this filter with one that has a larger element surface area. Our FS-10-050 will fit since this filter also has a 1/2" connection. We actually can offer 2 versions of our FS-10-100. One with the standard silencing tube of 5/8" (16mm) and the other with a larger silencing tube of 15/16" (24mm).

The clean pressure drop at 10.3 SCFM (17.5 m3/h) for the FS-06-050 is approximately 5.15"WC (13 mbar).
The clean pressure drop at 10.3 SCFM (17.5 m3/h) for the FS-10-050 with the 5/8" silencing tube is approximately 4.36"WC (11 mbar).
The clean pressure drop at 10.3 SCFM (17.5 m3/h) for the FS-10-050 with the 15/16" silencing tube is approximately 1"WC (2.5 mbar).

By increasing the diameter of the silencing tube your pressure drop will decrease but your noise level will increase. If the increase of noise is not an issue, then I suggest using the FS-10-050 with the 15/16" silencing tube. Below are the prices and sale terms for each filter.

FS-06-050 = US$ 16.50 (in stock; EXW Solberg USA in Itasca, IL USA) FS-10-050 with 5/8" tube = US$ 25.00 (in stock; EXW Solberg USA in Itasca, IL USA) FS-10-050 with 15/16" tube = US$ 25.00 (in stock; EXW Solberg USA in Itasca, IL USA)


Definitions :

FAD Free air delivery. Air at the atmospheric conditions of the site and unaffected by the compressor. Flow is measured at the discharge valve of the compressor, after the aftercooler, the water separator and built in check valve. Capacity and power consumption are corrected to ISO 1217 standard reference conditions: Ambient temperature = °20C, Ambient pressure = 1 bar(a), Relative humidity = 0%, Cooling water/air = 20°C, Effective working pressure at discharge valve = 7 bar(a). Clean pressure drop The pressure loss across the filter element determined under steady state flow conditions using a clean test fluid across a clean filter element.

[willyfernando]

[QUOTE=JayL;18793]Here is what Solberg has to say.

The clean pressure drop at 10.3 SCFM (17.5 m3/h) for the FS-06-050 is approximately 5.15"WC (13 mbar).
The clean pressure drop at 10.3 SCFM (17.5 m3/h) for the FS-10-050 with the 5/8" silencing tube is approximately 4.36"WC (11 mbar).
The clean pressure drop at 10.3 SCFM (17.5 m3/h) for the FS-10-050 with the 15/16" silencing tube is approximately 1"WC (2.5 mbar).


FS-06-050 = US$ 16.50 (in stock; EXW Solberg USA in Itasca, IL USA) FS-10-050 with 5/8" tube = US$ 25.00 (in stock; EXW Solberg USA in Itasca, IL USA) FS-10-050 with 15/16" tube = US$ 25.00 (in stock; EXW Solberg USA in Itasca, IL USA)

FS-10-050 W/ 15/16" Tube if adaptive to your system is the best choice if you don;t mind the noise otherwise go for the 5/8" Tube of this series. Difference between 11 & 13 mbar is felt more on the price rather than the pressure drop. In summary, you need to choose between a noisy but good Air delivery filter or a filter w/c has a good noise muffler but lower air delivery w/ an $8.50 price difference.:confused::p

[JayL]

That's what I thought too. Pressure drops in mBars. Looks negligible.

I purchased the bigger one for the increase in area of the filtering unit inside. Probably won't clog easily.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/solberg.jpg

Solberg FS-10-050, Miniature Filter Silencer/Breather for Compressors & Blowers, 1/2" MPT, 12 SCFM (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00153AIN0) ($31.63 including tax and shipping)

Here's another reply from Solberg.

" Hello Jay,

The standard configuration of the FS-10-050 is using the smaller silencing tube (5/8"). The larger tube is non-standard but easy for us to substitute.

Best regards,

Eric L. Nystrom "



I went for the smaller 5/8" tube as it is the reason why I want the filter. Noise reduction specially when everything is working at the same time .... compressor and air tools etc....

Here's another comment from one user.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JayL http://garagejournal.com/forum/hamb/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1432818#post1432818)
Did you notice any sound dampening when you installed the Solberg filter on the compressor?

I did - quite a bit. The character of the noise is also different, and seems more bass-ish thumpy thumpy rather than the high-pitched noise before I installed them.


Looks like for us wanting to reduce noise on our compressors then the Intake side is something we can tweak. A home made silencer is really not that difficult to mod.

[JayL]

In my search for a good air compressor oil I read this at the Campbell Hausfeld site FAQ.

Question What type of oil do I use in my compressor pump and how much?

Answer We recommend SAE-30, non-detergent, true compressor oil which CH sells in a 1-pint bottle, part number ST125308AV or 1 gallon size, part number ST1267. We also now recommend the usage of 10W-30 Full synthetic automotive oil. All CH pumps will have either a dipstick or a sight gauge to indicate the proper oil level.


http://www.chpower.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/HelpView?storeId=10051&catalogId=10001&langId=-1

I'm going for the 10W-30 Full Synthetic . Either Mag-1 or Mobil-1.

This is the Campbell Oil SAE-30.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000225DU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A1SV1BYDTUK2Z5

Landed cost ( 1 quart ) will be the same as Mag-1 Synthetic which I can get for around 450 pesos/quart locally.

[JayL]

This is what's good when you get USA issued tools. I wanted to know how much oil the Speedaire 4B236 will take and one email to Grainger.com tech support ( 24/7) and I get a very specific answer ... 16 Oz.

I have some left over oil from the last car oil change and looks like its enough for the compressor ( half a quart / 16 oz ) .

Mag1 5W-30 Fully Synthetic Oil

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Mag1.jpg

This compressor has an 80/20 duty cycle and I intend to raise it up by using Full Synthetic oil.

[JayL]

@Owyn

Do you recall the name of this type of belt and where to source this out? Any idea how to join the edges when you want to fab a custom made belt length.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/belt.jpg

Thanks

( Pic borrowed from GJ )

[moji]

Ei Jay,

Is it something like this? http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=30051&cat=1,240,41067&ap=1

[JayL]

Ei Jay,

Is it something like this? http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=30051&cat=1,240,41067&ap=1

Do you think it will work for higher torque applications like a compressor?

[moji]

Now that i don't know..why don't you shoot them an email. Lee valley people reply quickly..

[JayL]

Now that i don't know..why don't you shoot them an email. Lee valley people reply quickly..

Done.

Thanks

[moji]

That compressor is really getting the works done..what other mods are you planning for it?

[JayL]

That compressor is really getting the works done..what other mods are you planning for it?

Just bolt ons as it's really not that powerful. However I will do a provision for placing the Vespa I have in series with it when I do the air line piping for the shop. This is my backup in case more air flow is needed.

Update : lee Valley's reply.

Thank you for your e-mail. We don’t sell any air compressors and we’re not certain of the specifications of the model you have. The Link Belt that we sell is ½” wide and is designed to take the place of a v-belt. If this is the same requirements as the belt normally used on your compressor, then this product should work just fine. We list compatible woodworking tool suggestions in our description, but these are used in all sorts of industries, such as paper mills, conveyor systems, ventilation fans, farm machinery, etc.

We hope that this information is helpful to you. Should you have any further inquiries please don’t hesitate to e-mail us again at [email protected]

[moji]

Just bolt ons as it's really not that powerful. However I will do a provision for placing the Vespa I have in series with it when I do the air line piping for the shop. This is my backup in case more air flow is needed.

Update : lee Valley's reply.

Thank you for your e-mail. We don’t sell any air compressors and we’re not certain of the specifications of the model you have. The Link Belt that we sell is ½” wide and is designed to take the place of a v-belt. If this is the same requirements as the belt normally used on your compressor, then this product should work just fine. We list compatible woodworking tool suggestions in our description, but these are used in all sorts of industries, such as paper mills, conveyor systems, ventilation fans, farm machinery, etc.

We hope that this information is helpful to you. Should you have any further inquiries please don’t hesitate to e-mail us again at [email protected]



Sincerely,

Shannon Brown
Internet Customer Service Representative

Please post pics when you put your comps into a series..
Hmm what do you think, the belt can be used on a compressor? You might have to email the manufacturer of the belts directly.

[JayL]

I was thinking the Vespa can really make use of this type of V belt.

I'll put an insertion point after the pressure regulator for the Vespa. The Speedaire is 135 psi max while the Vespa is only 115 psi.

Pressure will be regulated at 90 psi for the air tools and the spray guns.

Full 135 psi for blow guns.

[moji]

Will the cfm output increase when you link the two comps together?

[JayL]

Will the cfm output increase when you link the two comps together?

Yes it will.

The Speedaire will kick in when pressure drops to 95 psi. If it drops further due to air usage I'll set the Vespa to kick in at say 80 - 90 psi. I have not adjusted kick in pressure for the Vespa yet so will have to see how to do it and if it's possible.

[clayfigur]

This are 2 of my compressor

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/clayfigur/Hand%20tools%20painted%20yellow/IMG0926A.jpg
1/4 HP Vespa I set it to 60 PSI I use it for light painting projects.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm241/clayfigur/Hand%20tools%20painted%20yellow/IMG0927A.jpg
1/2 HP Daichi I set it to 90 PSI

I'm still saving to buy a 2HP air compressor.. Kinda need more power for air tools...

[JayL]

My current dual compressor setup. When fully operational, it will have a combined total of 4 HP , 83 gallons capacity and at least 14 cfm @ 90 psi. Enough to drive the Finex and Iwata spray guns.

Now I need a good but simple shop piping layout , pressure regulation and filtering setup w/ easy drain.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/d1-1.jpg

Any suggestions please.

Thanks

[JayL]

Here's a good read about compressors.

http://www.about-air-compressors.com/index.html

[willyfernando]

Here's a good read about compressors.

http://www.about-air-compressors.com/index.html

This is definitely a good read Jay. Tnx for the link.

[JayL]

3 hours in Binondo and I got these fittings. Let's see what happens ... this is for the first leg of my shop piping runs.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2803.jpg

It gets expensive when you start to add the cost of all bits and pieces. Acme Quick disconnects, stainless pipes, stainless or brass fittings, Kitz gate valves etc... Since there will be no long runs I'm sticking to 3/8" piping. Included is a mod for the compressor water drain too.

I decided for two major separate drop points. One for the air tools and one for spray painting. Those shown are for the air tools as I have not yet made up my mind how to setup the spray painting layout thus have not acquired the hardwares needed.

For the air tools I thought it would be best to take off the auto oiler out of the equation. These oilers are good for production run air tools but not so much for DIY. It will just gunk up the hoses from oil mist. I prefer to manually lube the air tools by dropping a few squirt of oil at the air intake before using these.

[JayL]

Dry fit ... this is how the air tools setup will look like.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2814.jpg

The business end ... pressure regulation at 90 psi and dual water moisture filtration. Water will wreck havoc on the air tools. That black industrial quality Speedaire pressure reg / water separator is the most expensive part of the link. Glad I got it as a freebie with the compressor purchase.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2807.jpg

Unregulated outlets @ 135 psi

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2808.jpg

Connection to the compressor via flexible hose ( to absorb vibration ). This will later be taken off and a T- connector installed to hook up piping for the spray paint section run.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2809.jpg

[JayL]

First piping drain ....

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2810.jpg

It was 6:00 Pm and I did not get a 3/8 to 1/4 " connector to hook the drain valve. LOL off to Binondo again.

On a side note I met a PHM DIYer in Binondo twice ... at different locations. :) Talk about tool hunting.

This is the oiler I've taken off the loop and the extender for the compressor drain. It's not so convenient to kneel down and drain the compressor from the bottom of the tank.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP2811.jpg

Woodworking time to make some wall hangers.

[moji]

Those stainless pipes are 3/8"? No wonder the acmes are 3/8". I was wondering tuloy if your hoses were 3/8".

Did you thread the pipes yourself?

[JayL]

Those stainless pipes are 3/8"? No wonder the acmes are 3/8". I was wondering tuloy if your hoses were 3/8".

Did you thread the pipes yourself?

All the hoses I will use are 3/8" too but these are loaded with 1/4" NPT at the ends. They came like that from the factory.

http://www.amazon.com/GoodYear-8-Inch---50-Feet-Safety-50-Feet/dp/B0000225E0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1302193170&sr=8-2

I wish I could buy the pipes in full length ( cheaper ) , cut and thread these myself but it's not worth as I need only so much ( need to buy the threading tool ). I purchase ss sched 30 pipes threaded and pre cut according to my length specs.

[timber715]

you saw Chisel brader, who was the other? :D

[JayL]

you saw Chisel brader, who was the other? :D

Chisel only. Same guy twice different locations .... hehehehe Panda then somewhere again in T. Alonzo.

[timber715]

Chisel only. Same guy twice different locations .... hehehehe Panda then somewhere again in T. Alonzo.
hehehe, dami mo nga raw tubong dala :D he came over sa court as others like Golden, his associate Joel and Jarod too... came from Bosch kasi for a seminar with a German speaker.

[JayL]

hehehe, dami mo nga raw tubong dala :D he came over sa court as others like Golden, his associate Joel and Jarod too... came from Bosch kasi for a seminar with a German speaker.

Yeah inabutan nga ako ng closing time s T.Alonzo...:)

[JayL]

I started to assemble

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2834.jpg

and used Teflon tape and gasket maker for sealing

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2831.jpg

Thought I'll get done with this today but I was wrong. I've got leaks when air pressure reaches 135psi. I've used Teflon and gasket maker before up to 115 psi and had no problems.

I disassembled everything again and am back to square one.:(

Will be needing better pipe thread sealants ( Pipe Dope ) . Anybody know something good available locally?


Thanks

[JayL]

One of the secrets to better air moisture control in a compressed air system is the frequent draining of the tank of accumulated water. Most compressor setups have drain valves at the bottom of the tank which are very cumbersome to access.

Thus I installed a drain extender for my compressor so I can easily drain this before, during and after heavy paint jobs.

Planning to do the same with my 1 HP Vespa.

The stock drain valve ...

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2836.jpg

Replaced with this setup

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2844.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2845.jpg

[ossie]

@jay,
is it elbow? the one in the very bottom of the tank? magkano inabot? gayahin ko :D

[JayL]

@jay,
is it elbow? the one in the very bottom of the tank? magkano inabot? gayahin ko :D

Yup straight elbow only ( male - female )

All 1/4" fittings

Brass elbow - 150
SS Pipe 8" - 164
Kitz ball Valve - 300

Total = 614 pesos. Grainger wants $57.75 + $12.95 shipping _+ tax for the kit. :eek:

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=4YN49.&op=search&Ntt=4YN49.&N=0&sst=subset

When I do the Vespa I will oft for the cheaper parts so probably around 300 pesos.

[ossie]

thanks Jay, ill go for the cheaper one for my vespa :D hehehe

[willyfernando]

[QUOTE........and used Teflon tape and gasket maker for sealing

Thought I'll get done with this today but I was wrong. I've got leaks when air pressure reaches 135psi. I've used Teflon and gasket maker before up to 115 psi and had no problems.

I disassembled everything again and am back to square one.:(

Will be needing better pipe thread sealants ( Pipe Dope ) . Anybody know something good available locally?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Hi JayL,
Try thread lock. This usually works if the threading has a nice fit. It locks the thread and prevents air gaps. This in turn, makes the fit tight and sealed. Locktite of Goldtown Imports and another brand found in Commodore in SM malls are some of the brands i've used. Hope this helps.

[JayL]

hread lock.[/B] This usually works if the threading has a nice fit. It locks the thread and prevents air gaps. This in turn, makes the fit tight and sealed. Locktite of Goldtown Imports and another brand found in Commodore in SM malls are some of the brands i've used. Hope this helps.

The problem is the quality of the local pipe threading from the stores. I somehow managed to work around it by

1. Applying gasket maker on the pipe threads
2. Wrapping it up with Teflon
3. Applying gasket maker again on the Teflon

I'm seriously considering that in the future I would want to manually thread the pipes myself. My most commonly used sizes are 1/4, 3/8, and probably up to 1/2". This would require an investment in a good pipe threader ( dies) such as those made by Ridgid.

[JayL]

Slow posting days. Anyway since it's still compressor related I'll post the feet support I'm making. As per Timber's suggested idea I'll use wood.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2846.jpg

and sandwhich these in rubber

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2849.jpg

I also finally solved the leak problem and got the fittings to seal. 24 hours tested and still airtight at 135 psi.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2848.jpg

Gluing some board to use as wall backer to mount the above setup.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2847.jpg

[JayL]

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2851.jpg

[JayL]

Wall mount backer board is done. It really pays to have at least a basic wood shop setup with a miter saw, some clamps, cordless drill drivers and a nailer. Makes stuff like this easier to make.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP2899.jpg

I'll mount this one and tomorrow I'm back to welding to fab a wall swivel bracket for the air hose reel.

[JayL]

A 3 HP compressor is really not that powerful so a magnetic switch is not a requirement. That being said I just opted for a DIY switch to save some money.

The setup calls for AWG 14 sized wire on at least a 20A breaker. The compressor draws 16A at start up so 15A hardware might be pushing it a bit.

Moji .... the Knipex gets some workout here. The cable cutter is a Klein.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/1-22.jpg

Wire stripping is really easy when you have the correct sized stripper. Not a strand of wire was lost.
Craftsman Pro wire strippers are manufactured by Klein Tools.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/3-15.jpg

Most electrical screws are +/-

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/4-10.jpg

This screwdriver is the correct tool to use...

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/5-8.jpg

[JayL]

For higher current draw setups I prefer to tin the stripped wires prior to installation. It makes sure all the strands work together.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/6-5.jpg

The obligatory open / short circuit testing prior to installation

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/7-4.jpg

The switch is really for AC use so I just made a made wooden casing. Rated at 45A and with an extra 15A outlet for the work table near it. Brackets are easy to fabricate using Ossie's Bender.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/8-3.jpg

Compressor is manually charged as the new pressure switch is still in transit.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/9-4.jpg

[JayL]

I did prepare some metal plates too to fabricate a swivel for the air hose reel.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/11-1.jpg

[moji]

Nangiingiit ka ah! Finally the PB screwdriver makes an appearance!

What is that soldering iron your using?

[JayL]

Nangiingiit ka ah! Finally the PB screwdriver makes an appearance!

What is that soldering iron your using?

Butane gas powered Portasol. Easier to use for small soldering jobs.

[moji]

Is that available here?

[JayL]

Is that available here?

There was one selling a Dremel kit in TPC before. It uses butane gas too. Maybe that's better. Mine is Italian made. I believe it is of an older design. But it works well so I have not upgraded since I got it some 15 years ago.

[JayL]

No wonder US Made hoses are so soft specially in our warm climate. These don't fight out trying to maintain their coiled position during use.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3003.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3005.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3006.jpg

It's good to use rubber hoses. Heavier but easily maneuverable.

Here's a good one.

http://www.amazon.com/GoodYear-8-Inch---50-Feet-Safety-50-Feet/dp/B0000225E0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1303721030&sr=8-1

Moji has one and he might be able to give better feedback on this hose.

[JayL]

Finally got the manual air hose reel installed.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3008.jpg

Use of Quick Disconnect Couplers makes an air setup more versatile. Acme or Milton brand is highly recommended.

The air hose reel can be used at full 135psi pressure

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/4-7.jpg

or connected after the pressure regulator / water filter to provide 90psi compressed air for air tools' use ( when oiled manually with a few drops in the intake )

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/3-10.jpg

[JayL]

I found out that cheap air tool oilers and industrial quality ones have night and day difference in performance. The cheap ones will consume all the oil out in no time at all making these not so practical to use. Air tool oil is expensive.

I was surprised when I tried the Speedaire oiler. It changed my view of oilers which was mostly gained from the use of cheaper ones. This industrial quality oiler provides constant very lighti misting on the air depending on the adjustment. At first I thought it was not working and was not dispersing oil. However when I blew air on a piece of paper I noticed a really slight misting so I knew that the oiler was doing it's job.

I decided to install it but not piped in directly to the air system. Since I will also be using this setup for spray painting I wanted the oiler to be as far from the air source as much as possible in order to avoid oil contamination.

Here I hook it up to the air hose reel. Another dedicated hose can then be used on it to power the air tools. This dedicated hose will soon be oily inside thus is not good to use for other purposes aside from air tools.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/1-18.jpg


http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3018.jpg

The compressor got some new shoes too.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/2-15.jpg

Now I just need the new pressure switch and gauges to complete this WIP. Ooooops I almost forgot I need to finish the electrical line - 20A minimum.:)

[violaine]

i never knew that blue, yellow and black are wonderful colors for the workshop!

[JayL]

i never knew that blue, yellow and black are wonderful colors for the workshop!

LOL ... I think I have most of the common colors now.

[jarod]

Feels like a Mild Seven renault F1 team pit ;)

http://www.nttdocomo.com/pr/files/20040129_02.jpg

[ossie]

@jay,
napadaan lang ako kanina sa Ace Hardware and found this: ok lang ba yung price nya? hehehe

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/drain.jpg

[rosy]

HEY OSSIE,

those prices of stainless pipe fittings are just right and fair, we all know naman na stainless fittings are much more higher in price than the GI pipe fittings. I do buy stainless pipe fittings at Big R Robinsons in Cainta and sometimes at SM Taytay and their prices are almost identical.

[JayL]

@jay,
napadaan lang ako kanina sa Ace Hardware and found this: ok lang ba yung price nya? hehehe

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/jersey--/Others/drain.jpg


Kung stainless lahat yan ok na price. Hmmm baka sa Ace sa me Cash and Carry na lang ako bumili rin. Layo ng Binondo.

Sa Binondo

Elbow - P100
Brass Gate Valve -P300 ( Kitz ) / China P120
Pipe - P115

Size = 1/4 inch

[JayL]

HEY OSSIE,

those prices of stainless pipe fittings are just right and fair, we all know naman na stainless fittings are much more higher in price than the GI pipe fittings. I do buy stainless pipe fittings at Big R Robinsons in Cainta and sometimes at SM Taytay and their prices are almost identical.

For air lines & piping setups there is much advantage in using stainless. Obviously no rusting. Only drawback I see is high cost but in my opinion worth it in the long run.

[ossie]

thanks rosy and jay.
its all stainless, namamahalan lang ako masyado sa gate valve hehe Php579.75. and yes, dapat stainless or copper para hindi kalawangin. hindi ko pa nga muna binili at kinuhanan ko lang ng picture hehe thanks

[JayL]

Two years of a hard life in a commercial environment and this Vespa 2 HP is in for a rebuild. However I've decided to give it a new look too. Most probably Campbell Hausfeld blue and black colors.

Any sources where I could purchase High Temp Spray Can Primer.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP3177.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP3178.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP3179.jpg

Tapered Shaft

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/IMGP3182.jpg

[ossie]

@jay,
go for urethane paint, can spray painting is a waste of money and time hehehe :D

[JayL]

@jay,
go for urethane paint, can spray painting is a waste of money and time hehehe :D

I was thinking to use spray can for the motor and pump only because I need high temp paint. Unless I can get high temp paint that I can spray using a gun.

Paint stripping is a pain in the a%@. I hope by next year I can get a sand blasting setup up.

[ossie]

i painted my crank case and disc brake (at the center) and we all know na umiinit din yun, dapat pala nabasa ko ito kanina para nai compare ko yung heat build up...

[JayL]

i painted my crank case and disc brake (at the center) and we all know na umiinit din yun, dapat pala nabasa ko ito kanina para nai compare ko yung heat build up...

Yun kasing orig vespa paint nag lobo lobo na. Malamang sa init dahil sa continuous use ng compressor. Yun 1 HP Vespa ko dito hindi naman ganoon kasi slightly used lang. Spoiled pa dahil me electric fan nakatutok pag nag spray painting ako.

Pero bilib din ako sa Vespa. Ok pa yun pump, sobrang dungis nga lang kaya gusto kong ayusin.

[JayL]

Here's a good use for sawdust. After letting the StripSol work it's way around the paint then put sawdust to make stripping easier.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3204.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3203.jpg

Here's the pump now. Stripped to bare metal then primer painted and ready for black Hi Temp paint.

When this Vespa is done it will look like a Campbell Hausfeld clone ... hahahhahahaha . Good practice for my Speedaire repaint later.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3205.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3206.jpg

I will also try Master Ryobi's Guilder primer on the tank.

[Horsepower]

That's a neat paint job!

[JayL]

That's a neat paint job!

I was expecting the old paint cleanup to be harder. However brushing the pump specially the fins with acrylic lacquer thinner ( after the stripsol procedure ) made the final stripping easier.

Here it's now painted.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3218.jpg


http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3213.jpg

[JayL]

I'll paint the motor black too. Vespa green and silver is too common already.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3215.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3216.jpg



I didn't notice it at first. Look closely at the locking screw of the pulley. It was already breaking even before I took it off. Better follow Timber's mod to replace with stainless bolt if you happen to have a Vespa Compressor.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3217.jpg

[JayL]

The 2 HP Vespa Compressor is very very loud compared to the 1 HP. I want to quiet it down a bit.

Lately I saw Solberg compressor air filter clones in T. Alonzo. Might try to see if these will help quiet down the intake side.

Also I would need a set of wider wheels to make the compressor more stable. If you happen to see some please let me know.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3223.jpg

The 2 HP Vespa model needs only a gate valve installed directly in the drain outlet to make it easier to free accumulated water in the tank.

[rosy]

Just yesterday I was at 5 different hardware stores here in our place canvassing some rubber wheels which I am planning for my YAMATO welder, planning to make a cart so I can move it easily, the rubber tires where 10" in diameter , complete with rim and bearing.

So Jay maybe you can also check hardware stores near your place and try to see their stocks of rubber wheels which you can use to replace your compressor's small wheels. :) :cool:

[JayL]

Just yesterday I was at 5 different hardware stores here in our place canvassing some rubber wheels which I am planning for my YAMATO welder, planning to make a cart so I can move it easily, the rubber tires where 10" in diameter , complete with rim and bearing.

So Jay maybe you can also check hardware stores near your place and try to see their stocks of rubber wheels which you can use to replace your compressor's small wheels. :) :cool:

Did I get that right 10" diameters? How much?

[rosy]

Yes you got it right, 10" in diameter, that's the large one, there is a medium and a small size.

The 10" wheel cost 600.00 and it varies pababa from store to store, I did not ask about the smaller wheel coz I supposed they'd be cheaper.
Oh I almost forgot there's also nga 15" in diameter, solid and inflatable, I did'nt ask any more about the price kasi masyado ng malaki for my intended use.

So I suppose if we have it here sa mga ordinary hardware stores, I presume meron din dyan sa place ninyo or maybe in Binondo area.

hope this helps.

[JayL]

@ Thanks Rosy

I was hearing some clanking noise when the motor runs so decided to investigate. I didn't get as far as inside the motor since I found this thingy loose and was what's causing the sound.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3227.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3228.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3229.jpg

I presume it's a brake switch. Anybody can can confirm this please.

[JayL]

Lousy wiring. The next time I buy a something in this quality level I'm going to open it all up and reassemble prior to use. No wonder breakage is higher. Loose stuff cause chain effect reactions.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/w2-2.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/w1-1.jpg

[violaine]

@jay,

parang patient...inoperahan sa appendix...pati atay at kidney tinanggal..ehehehe..

@rosy,

with the 10" wheels, ubra na sakyan yan bro! :waltz:

[JayL]

@jay,

parang patient...inoperahan sa appendix...pati atay at kidney tinanggal..ehehehe..

@rosy,

with the 10" wheels, ubra na sakyan yan bro! :waltz:

LOL .... hehehhe

The 2 HP Vespa compressor is probably the best bang for the buck in its class. Very fast charging time. For this reason alone I chose to rebuild / mod and keep it.

The only issue with it is the fast motor rpm which causes belt instability. If there is enough clearance I'm going to install a belt tensioner on it.

[edtf]

looking at the compressor setup I was wondering if a 12v motor can drive a single head compressor. I was thinking of making an on the vehicle air compressor using a freon tank, 12v motor and a single head compressor.
What do you guys think? Is this doable?

[balarila]

Here's a compressor I may have an opportunity to buy. http://www.searsoutlet.com/12-Gallon-Portable-Vertical-Air-Compressor-with-Hose-and-9PC-Accessory-Kit/d/product_details.jsp?stxt=compressor&md=srh_md&pn=1&ps=50&pid=9260&mode=buyUsedOnly

It's a refurbished 12 gallon 1 HP direct drive air compressor. I'll be in the Sears store where it's available a few days from now and, if it's available still, I'd like to consider getting it. What do you think? Trash or treasure?

If I get it, I plan to use it for painting the boat I'm building. The Sears item card says it can be used for HVLP (not sure if that's true in practical terms). I would also probably use it occasionally on air tools like nailing. Not sure if it's got enough capacity for an air-sander but that would be a big bonus, too.

Really cheap for $80 (if it works). Heck, shipping would probably cost at least twice the purchase price.

Appreciate comments.
Posted via PHM Mobile

[JayL]

Here's a compressor I may have an opportunity to buy. http://www.searsoutlet.com/12-Gallon-Portable-Vertical-Air-Compressor-with-Hose-and-9PC-Accessory-Kit/d/product_details.jsp?stxt=compressor&md=srh_md&pn=1&ps=50&pid=9260&mode=buyUsedOnly

It's a refurbished 12 gallon 1 HP direct drive air compressor. I'll be in the Sears store where it's available a few days from now and, if it's available still, I'd like to consider getting it. What do you think? Trash or treasure?

If I get it, I plan to use it for painting the boat I'm building. The Sears item card says it can be used for HVLP (not sure if that's true in practical terms). I would also probably use it occasionally on air tools like nailing. Not sure if it's got enough capacity for an air-sander but that would be a big bonus, too.

Really cheap for $80 (if it works). Heck, shipping would probably cost at least twice the purchase price.

Appreciate comments.
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It's 120V and would need a transformer.

If it was me buying and the refurbished Craftsman compressor posted will cost me around 240 USD landed then I would probably just get a locally available 2 HP Vespa w/ an 88 liters capacity ( ~24 Gal ) for roughly the same cost.

I doubt if the Craftsman can effectively sustain an HVLP gun much more so an air sander. It would only be good for inflating tires and running pneumatic nailers.

[balarila]

Hmmm...good point. Thanks.
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[JayL]

I was dry fitting the pump and motor on the tank.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3268.jpg

Looking for a clearance to mount a belt tensioner.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3267.jpg

Paint stripping is not for the faint of heart DIYer. Very tedious process. Any suggestions on how to do this faster and cleaner other than strip sol. Thanks

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3277.jpg

Cheap paint job. They didn't even bother to use primer.

[jonathanscruz68]

Paint stripping is not for the faint of heart DIYer. Very tedious process. Any suggestions on how to do this faster and cleaner other than strip sol.

Cheap paint job. They didn't even bother to use primer.[/QUOTE]


i guess i'll do the same, stripping the paint to bare metal...

primer then your preferred color...

mukhang mas gaganda at titibay pa yan sa bago...:)

[JayL]

Paint stripping is not for the faint of heart DIYer. Very tedious process. Any suggestions on how to do this faster and cleaner other than strip sol.

Cheap paint job. They didn't even bother to use primer.


i guess i'll do the same, stripping the paint to bare metal...

primer then your preferred color...

mukhang mas gaganda at titibay pa yan sa bago...[/QUOTE]

I'm happy now after another 1.5 hrs of boring time. However if I painted over I know magsisi ako so I went ahead to strip and am glad that Jon would have done the same too.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/ps1.jpg

Tomorrow I go air and electric powered for the cleanups.

Roloc Disks and low speed wire and brush wheels.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/ps2.jpg

I re greased the drill to be used.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/d1-2.jpg

I'll buy some Eagle wire brushes and will use these for the nook and crannies.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/d2-1.jpg

Hopefully when all 3 compressors are in series then I would have a combined output of 15 to 17 cfm enough to run sand blasting. By then stripping paint and rust would be another story.

Maybe start with a portable one ....

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=12852&group_ID=1799&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaOTuFt0-ac

[rolly]

I recently got myself a Vespa 2hp compressor and learned a lot on how to correctly choose the correct one since there are countless imitation.
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0042-1.jpg
the motor specs...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0044.jpg
and comes equipped with safety features...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0045.jpg
the overall specs...
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0043-1.jpg

Timb, how much compressor mo? From binondo?
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[timber715]

Timb, how much compressor mo? From binondo?
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not really sure anymore, but I think 14K maybe a bit less:glassesf:

[JayL]

I'm lokking for some back pressure check valves. Usually work with air and water.

I need these to connect compressors with different Max PSI ratings into a single main line.

http://www.kleen-ritecorp.com/p-1733-kleen-rite-maxi-flow-check-valve-5000psi-14fxf-ss-hp.aspx

Anybody knows a local source? Thanks

How about a local source of abrasive sand for sandblasting? If I could find a supplier then I could order this portable blaster and try it out.

http://www.zendextool.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=17_22&products_id=175

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/SpeedBlaster-rwb.jpg

[JayL]

Guilder Galva Coat is not a high build primer. It lays down just like base coat.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/1-20.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/2-17.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/3-12.jpg

Now what final color? Campbell Hausfeld Blue or Snap On Red?

[JayL]

Could not paint today because it was raining. Just fixed the motor capacitor wiring.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3307.jpg

Replaced the cheap connectors (? ). I forgot the proper name for this.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3305.jpg

Which one do you think is a better color choice?

Campbell Hausfeld

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/ch.jpg

or

Ingersoll Rand

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/1592027_lg.jpg

Moji

[jarod]

Replaced the cheap connectors (? ). I forgot the proper name for this.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3305.jpg

The white ones I think are generically called as crimp wire connectors and the orange ones are screw caps or wire nuts.

Which one do you think is a better color choice?

Campbell Hausfeld

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/ch.jpg

I think that would this go more with your blue fittings...

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/3-10.jpg

[JayL]

Thanks Jarod.

The Vespa 2 HP is a good compressor. What makes it cheapy is because the manufacturer cuts cost down by installing cheaper parts for wiring, painting, wheels, gate valves, intake filters, gauge, drain outlet, belt, screws etc... and a funky assembly job.

It has a good cast iron pump and 2 HP motor plus an 88 liter tank. Boost up pressure to 115 to 120 psi and it's still good to go. Charges fast and is reasonably priced. Spend and upgrade and you have a compressor nearer at par with US sold ( lowers ends are China anyway ) brand models within it's class.

Other people's opinions might vary ....

[JayL]

Take for example the part I circled in blue. You can find a lot of these in the market and they all look identical. However upon closer inspection you will find that the good ones have thicker walls and better ball valve movement.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMG_0048-1.jpg

( pic borrowed from Timber )

This is how I came to know. All these defective and did not last and some more are in my junk box.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3309.jpg

For Quick Disconnect I only use Milton brand ( LYS / Yale ) or Acme ( Panda ). All US made. I stay away from KYK, Lotus and the like which are pictured above. These leak air after some slight usage.

[timber715]

I like the cleanliness the IR offers Jay...
http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/1592027_lg.jpg
and yes the ball valves are aplenty with quality in question, lucky me I came across that one, built like a tank, never gave me problems like the quick disconnect couplers from Panda(Acme) which are still US made. have seen other brands rust internally, dang...:blink::blink::blink:

[JayL]

Where did you get that one Timb? It looks different. Is it a Kitz brand?

tks

[timber715]

Where did you get that one Timb? It looks different. Is it a Kitz brand?

tks
not sure of the brand, but it looks solid thats why I got it. Sa T. Alonso yan brad, don't know the store name but I can go with you when you come over... tapos merienda tayo sa Lingnam:pope::pope::pope:

[JayL]

Will buzz you when I'm around the area. How much is it?

Looks like it's a female female so will need some gender changer to mount on a Vespa.

I did not see that one in your compressor install pics. Was it for the drain?

[timber715]

no, I use it sa open line ko... one with a coupler, the other uses that... sabihan mo lang ako a day before para hindi ako maglunch at makakain ng husto:massbounce:

[JayL]

Timb I thought you were suppose to organize a Binondo trip before. Maybe it's good chance for a group tool hunt.

Join na guys. Chance na ito for a tour from a guy who knows the place like the palm of his hand.

Moji tool hunting? Hehehhehehe

[violaine]

i will get this powercraft compressor this week but would like to know your opinion before the take.
http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/513085/Powercraft+2.5hp+heavy+duty+air+compressor+%28vert ical+type%29+new+design%21?referralKeywords=elektr o

this will be used for my small spray painting booth..hehe..is the 9cfm enough for air gun with 1.0 to 1.5mm tips?

thanks po.

[JayL]

V try to check this one too. I did inspect this at LYS when it was on sale. Looks beefy.

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/1005994/Powercraft+air+compressor+2+stage+vertical+type?re ferralKeywords=powercraft+compressor

Timber's Asturo gun seems to be happy with his 2 HP Vespa compressor.

http://www.spraygunworld.com/products/Asturo/WB%20Kit/IndexWBII%20ExtremeWood.html

The Finex 3000 gun I have chokes on a 2 HP Vespa.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/spraygundepot/shafx.aspx

So I reckon the lower cfm guns like the Asturo or probably the Astro Evo will do the trick if you want to stick with the 2.5 HP Powercraft.

http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=APEVO4014-18&Category_Code=LESE

Mini guns should not be a problem.


Hope this helps.

[timber715]

like Jay said Doc, tip size is not the determining factor sa cfm rating ng spraygun... guns like finnex requires 9 to 13cfm, so depending on the gun, a 2hp cpmpressor might not be enough.... best to get a lower rating gun or a bigger compressor :twister3:

[moji]

Timb I thought you were suppose to organize a Binondo trip before. Maybe it's good chance for a group tool hunt.

Join na guys. Chance na ito for a tour from a guy who knows the place like the palm of his hand.

Moji tool hunting? Hehehhehehe

Tell me when you guys will go to binondo. If the sched is clear i can go. Something tells me to leave my wallet at home on this trip hehehe

[JayL]

The Speedaire Compressor spare parts arrived.

A replacement / conversion pressure switch manufactured by Condor.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/PS1-1.jpg

http://www.condor-usa.com/products/MDR-F.htm

The Solberg Air Intake Filter

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/PS3.jpg

The Weksler Liquid Filled Gauges. Very high quality. Too bad not available at Amazon anymore as I wanted to get a few more. My idea is to standardize all gauges in the shop airline piping setup for a more consistent pressure reading throughout the air delivery system.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/PS2-1.jpg

Will find another source. Probably I'll bring some extra units next time for those who want to try these. Larger gauge faces at 2.5".

[moji]

When are you going to install those Jay?

[JayL]

When are you going to install those Jay?

Anytime. I just want to double check the pressure switch part first and study it a bit more.

[violaine]

@all,

id like not to complicate my mind anymore with gun and compressor specs..just one last question..if the gun says it requires 2cfm and i will be using this 9cfm compressor, oks lang ba yun?

question can be answered by a simple yes or a no...:)

thanks..

[JayL]

@all,

id like not to complicate my mind anymore with gun and compressor specs..just one last question..if the gun says it requires 2cfm and i will be using this 9cfm compressor, oks lang ba yun?

question can be answered by a simple yes or a no...:)

thanks..

Yes :attack:

[timber715]

@all,

id like not to complicate my mind anymore with gun and compressor specs..just one last question..if the gun says it requires 2cfm and i will be using this 9cfm compressor, oks lang ba yun?

question can be answered by a simple yes or a no...

thanks..
well, you can :eek: ... and :cool: ... then... :boom1:tapos yes ang answer...:horse:

[violaine]

@jay & timber,

yehey!!!

[JayL]

I had both colors mixed today . 250 pesos per liter. Still had not decided what color to use ..... ahahhahaha :sun:Waiting for it to shine.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/color.jpg

[JayL]

@V Go go go ka na ba sa 2.5 HP Powercraft?

Started to repair the compressor today.

Replace pressure switch, gauges and filter.

Replacement pressure switch. If only I knew before hand then I could have saved $18 purchasing this direct from the manufacturer instead of Grainger. The new switch uses Pozi drive screws.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/1-22.jpg

Bigger 2.5" gauges make adjustments easier and you can even read / estimate the pressure while being far away from the gauge.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/2-19.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/3-14.jpg

I think I'll get a 2"long pipe and a straight elbow for the Solberg filter so I can mount it upright where it could suck cooler air away from the hot pump.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/4-10.jpg

Bitin. It's a Sunday and I don't have the proper wire connectors to hook the power & motor cables to the switch. Hopefully tomorrow this baby is going to start official duty. LOL

[timber715]

would it be cheaper to buy a telescope Jay so you can see the reading better? that way you need not change all your gauges... hehehehe :boom::boom::boom:

[JayL]

would it be cheaper to buy a telescope jay so you can see the reading better? That way you need not change all your gauges... Hehehehe :boom::boom::boom:


lol ..... :)

[JayL]

Got the proper connectors today. Insulated rated for 15-20A.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/2-20.jpg

Channellock 909 Crimping Tool with Cutter. Purchased the last one from Panda.

This is a very good tool for crimping. It works for insulated and non-insulated. There are other more expensive ones but I found this one to be the best bang for the buck.

Channellock 909 Crimping Tool with Cutter ( Made in USA )

http://www.amazon.com/Channellock-909-Crimping-Tool-Cutter/dp/B00004SBDI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=industrial&qid=1306738652&sr=8-1

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/4-11.jpg

German designed Pressure Switches. If they say it will cut off at 135 PSI then at exactly 135 PSI it will cut off. Unless the pressure gauge is off mark in its calibration.
Cut in pressure is set at 100 PSI.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/7-3.jpg

As a safety precaution it is always good to test compressor safety valves. At least I check mine every month or so. Just pull the ring and it should release pressure. If it's stuck then that's not a good sign.

Solberg has a permanent customer now. I like the result so much that I'm contemplating getting filters for the 2 HP Vespa. The high pitched ear piercing sound is gone. Compressor is still noisy ( nature of the beast ) but much better. Now it's just like a Gixer 1000 with tune intake and exhaust compared to a 250cc Enduro with a cut muffer before. . LOL
Sa wakas natapos din WIP ng Speedaire. Lots of work. The price to pay for buying a used non operative tool. :whipass:

[JayL]

Back to the 2HP Vespa.

What is a permissible run out tolerance value for a motor pulley? I read around 0.28mm at the highest point. Lowest is 0.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3467.jpg

Pulley size = 129mm and Rotational Speed = 1,720 RPM

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3472.jpg

Owyn, Guad, Guys .... ?

Thanks

[timber715]

Back to the 2HP Vespa.

What is a permissible run out tolerance value for a motor pulley? I read around 0.28mm at the highest point. Lowest is 0.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3467.jpg

Pulley size = 129mm and Rotational Speed = 1,720 RPM

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3472.jpg

Owyn, Guad, Guys .... ?

Thanks
don't ask me Jay, ypu won't get a decent answer :poke::pcwhack:

[JayL]

don't ask me Jay, ypu won't get a decent answer :poke::pcwhack:

On the contrary do you have an opinion on this Timb. I was with the idea this is territory for guys doing mostly rebuilds like OWWM.

Thanks

[timber715]

On the contrary do you have an opinion on this Timb. I was with the idea this is territory for guys doing mostly rebuilds like OWWM.

Thanks
Naw, I reckon on pulley systems like those on Vespa isn't critical. minimal is always better as it gives better efficiency though :dog1:

[JayL]

Naw, I reckon on pulley systems like those on Vespa isn't critical. minimal is always better as it gives better efficiency though :dog1:
That's good to hear.

Thanks Timb

[jarod]

Honestly Jay, I think the 0.28mm run-out is way smaller than any probable thickness inconsistency on the belt itself. The pulley mechanism is way forgiving given its nature to have a rubber belt and slack.

[JayL]

Honestly Jay, I think the 0.28mm run-out is way smaller than any probable thickness inconsistency on the belt itself. The pulley mechanism is way forgiving given its nature to have a rubber belt and slack.

Yes looks like it's ok. I'll check the pump fly wheel run out next.

I finally got the gun performance I was after (since owning this Sharpe FX-3000 for more than 2 years now ). This gun is an air hog. It's not a good choice to even consider if the compressor to drive it has less than a 60 Gallon tank ( I literally mean tank volume not high cfm as it requires 9.5 cfm@ 29 psi only ). Otherwise its' really a very good gun.

FX-3000 is loaded with a 1.4mm tip. Currently on the wish list is a good clear coat gun with a 1.3mm tip to pair with it.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/fx3000.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/fx-30002.jpg

Still undecided whether I need to clear coat the compressor tank. Paint durability might be a reason. Looks ok with just base coat as this will not even stay clean for long once it starts it's back up duty.

I hope the reverse flow check valves arrive by first week June. I can't even hook up the Speedaire and this one together without the check valves since they don't operate at the same max pressure. Speedaire is 135 psi and the Vespa is 115 psi. I can bring down the Speedaire to 115 psi but it would degrade overall performance.

http://www.kleen-ritecorp.com/p-1733-kleen-rite-maxi-flow-check-valve-5000psi-14fxf-ss-hp.aspx

@Jarod . I've decided to reserve the blue color for the welding cart and table.

[jonathanscruz68]

Still undecided whether I need to clear coat the compressor tank. Paint durability might be a reason.

:go: :go: na sa clear coat para isang trabahuhan nalang... :go: :go:

[JayL]

:go: :go: na sa clear coat para isang trabahuhan nalang... :go:

Approved. Pam patibay din. :attack:

[JayL]

I was about to sleep but decided to check the Vespa pump that just got new oil. I was surprised to find that there was a pin hole oil leak right in one of the a hole wall where the pump gets bolted to the tank. Must be a defect in the casting.

I can weld using a cast iron rod, seal it then drill the hole again. However since oil pressure inside the pump is not that high I decided to try cold welding first.

Here's are some pics

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/1-25.jpg


http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/2-23.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/7-4.jpg

Tomorrow I'll drill the hole again. Hope this easy fix works but if not then it's hot welding.

I could have chosen regular JB-Weld but JB Water Weld is more specialized in plugging leaks. It can be used on fuel tanks as well.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/5-7.jpg

[JayL]

The JB Water Weld is now cured and hard. Time to drill the hole.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/4-12.jpg

Offset the hole a bit so as to avoid the part where the pinhole leak is located.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/6-5.jpg

Cold welding worked and oil leak is now under control. Mounted the pump to the tank. However for added protection I sealed this with gasket maker before bolting.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/2-24.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/5-8.jpg

[JayL]

I removed it and replaced it with a stainless equivalent.

after an hour of trial and error, I gave up and thought of a better way to tighten and align the belt.
I first drill two 5/16" holes on the adjustment bar underneath the motor.

then mounted two scrap piece of angled bar (forgot the term) to align with the holes I made.
.http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab219/timber3715/IMG_0079-1.jpg

This mod by Timb is a very simple but effective way of adjusting the belt tension on a Vespa 2 HP compressor. Probably in the assembly line they do have a jig to pull the motor to tighten the belt.

Anyway I borrowed Timb's idea and fabricated an add on part to tighten the belt on the 2 HP Vespa I'm rebuilding. Thanks Timb.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3559.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3562.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3563.jpg

[timber715]

This mod by Timb is a very simple but effective way of adjusting the belt tension on a Vespa 2 HP compressor. Probably in the assembly line they do have a jig to pull the motor to tighten the belt.

Anyway I borrowed Timb's idea and fabricated an add on part to tighten the belt on the 2 HP Vespa I'm rebuilding. Thanks Timb.



http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3562.jpg


wait wait wait, may bayad ang copyright :yoda1: dapat gawa mo rin ako :naughty2: ang ganda kasi eh... :fartysmile1f:
nice work brader....

[JayL]

Thanks Timb.

It's more like jig. I can even remove it now and it won't make a difference after the belt was tensioned and the motor base bolts tightened.

I was able to get proper belt tension and probably hit it a bit more. There are limitations on the stock belt supplied. It's only now that I looked at it more closely and found it to have uneven thickness and width in some areas.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/1-26.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/2-25.jpg

[ryobi]

This mod by Timb is a very simple but effective way of adjusting the belt tension on a Vespa 2 HP compressor. Probably in the assembly line they do have a jig to pull the motor to tighten the belt.

Anyway I borrowed Timb's idea and fabricated an add on part to tighten the belt on the 2 HP Vespa I'm rebuilding. Thanks Timb.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3559.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3562.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3563.jpg

@jay
very nice modification spoiled nga yang compresor mo hehehehe okey ung magnets mo ah go go jay

[JayL]

@jay
very nice modification spoiled nga yang compresor mo hehehehe okey ung magnets mo ah go go jay

Bro nagulat ako sa magnets. I was not expecting it to be that good to have . Ang dali and bilis palang mag align / tack wleds pag me magnets.

The reverse flow check valves needed to hook up compressors with different pressure ratings.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/1-28.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/2-27.jpg

[JayL]

While doing the experiment of hooking up 3 compressors I got chance to have a 2 HP Vespa ( repainted Beige ) and a 1 HP Vespa ( Green ) side by side. I shot some pics for those contemplating to buy Vespas.

EY Industrial Sales I believe is the importer and distributor. You need parts they have it all for Vespa.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/c1.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/c2-1.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/c4.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/c5.jpg

[JayL]

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/c6.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/c7.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/c8.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/twinvespa.jpg

[JayL]

I installed a Reverse Flow Check Valve on the 1 HP.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/rf1-1.jpg

Hooked up the empty Vespa to the Speedaire

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/rf2-1.jpg

The Speedaire pressure was 115 psi

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/rf5-1.jpg

The empty Vespa still read 0. So far the reverse flow check valve is doing it's job.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/rf3-1.jpg

I did fill up both compressors to full pressure. Hooked up an air cut off tool and run it full speed for a long time. The Speedaire kicked in but I could not even get the Vespa to charge. I decided to fully open the Speedaire drain valve and let air out for several minutes and only then did the Vespa kick in. So far so good. Air volume is not a problem anymore which I estimate at not less than 14+ cfm @ 90 psi already. I was so satisfied that I did not time the air discharge anymore knowing in real work environment air tools air supply will not be a problem unless maybe 3 or more are working simultaneously.

An issue to tackle later is compressors noise.

[JayL]

I finished the setup. It's 1:00 am and can't power these up for testing. Will have to wait for tomorrow.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3652.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3653.jpg

[violaine]

we have an mdf master, a shellac master, welding master...and now..air master!

kaka nose bleed naman ang thread na ito!

:jawdrop:

[jonathanscruz68]

[QUOTE=violaine;22021]we have an mdf master, a shellac master, welding master...and now..air master!

kaka nose bleed naman ang thread na ito!


hindi lang kaka nose bleed, nakaka baliw pa kamo... :weee:

a very inspiring compressor project, can't wait na for the final testing result ...:dog1:

:groupwave:

[JayL]

@V and Jon

The compressed air system is now working. The 2 HP backup lives under my folding table.

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/jzltraco/Pinoy%20Handyman/IMGP3654.jpg

So far air delivery is more than adequate for my use now. Around 14-15 cfm @ 90 psi using 2 compressors.

Thanks for viewing my posts.

[ossie]

hangganda at hanggaling!!!

[andrew28]

hello people. tanong ko lang anong ideal na air compressor capacity/ Hp for air impact wrench?

[jarod]

hello people. tanong ko lang anong ideal na air compressor capacity/ Hp for air impact wrench?

Bro andrew28, you may read this thread for more info -> Impact wrench requirements (http://www.pinoyhandyman.com/showthread.php?t=1805)

Also, to help you more on you inquiries better and faster, we have the search function above to serve you gladly :)

[bryant77]

Guys,

Where can I buy motor/pump assembly similar to this one?
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w225/bryant77_photo/Tools%20And%20Equipment/Compressor1HP.jpg

I want to rebuilt my compressor 1.5HP. The crankshaft is already broken but the motor is still running. I want to replace the motor/pump assembly para salpak na lang sa tangke. I've seen Vespa brand with belt less compressor and asked the supplier but they did not sell motor/pump assy only. Whole unit dapat bilihin.
:-(

[ricky]

^ sir Bryant meron compressor repair shop sa may araneta ave. Directly in front of the new columbarium na ala castle style. If you are coming from e.Rodriguez right side sya just before you reach quezon ave. Series of shops sya and may banner naman na they repair compressors.
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[JayL]

@bryant

I'm not sure if your compressor has parts available or is compatible with Vespa. If it's a generic type pump and compatible with Vespa then EY Industrial Sales carry the parts.

If it was me I'd take off the motor / pump assembly and show it to EY Industrial first.

Was it EY Industrial Sales you inquired for a Vespa / Motor pump assembly?

[bryant77]

@JayL

Yes, sa EY ako nag inquire. Sa kanila kase ako nakikita ng similar compressor kaso buong unit ang benta nila kasama yun tank. Try ko ulit mag inquire last year pa kse ako nagtanong sa kanila.

[picture_perfect]

Hi guys! Finally...whew that took awhile to read from page 1! I'm glad I found my way here. Very interesting indeed. I learned a lot. Anyway I do have questions if you don't mind. I was contemplating on building myself a compressor for my hobby. I don't require much hp, 1/4hp will suffice. I know Vespa offers one but it is loud and I paint mostly at night due to time constraints. My problem is sourcing the parts locally. I'm in need of the following:

1. A pressure switch (air) - I was able to find a shop that sells one here, I'm from Baguio btw, but the other shop that I went to told me that I could use a switch intended for water, anyway it's just the same. Or is it? Price is almost 2/3 less of that for the air. I need your take on this. Brand suggestions?
2. A pressure regulator+water trap (I've decided to get a similar make and model to what sir timber had installed on page 1) I would probably just change the gauge. Option B would be to buy an air regulator from BR tools then an air filter/drier from Eagle tools...
3. A check valve. 1/4". Thinking of getting one from ebay together with item 2 but if there is a one-stop shop where I can get most of these parts locally then better. Shops in T. Alonzo, Binondo? kept popping up as I read. Problem is I don't know my way around the metro. Hehe Will beseech the help of a friend nalang.
4. Air filter. I saw one here but I forgot the brand. Starts with "S".
5. Pressure gauges. For air.

As for the other parts I already have them (caster wheels, copper tubings, fittings etc). I will be using a ref compressor btw. I just need suggestions on what particular brands are good. I'm not looking for something high-end. But more importantly, a shop where I can get most of the parts once I venture down there. Thanks guys.

[Software]

Nakabili na ko ng compressor

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/fox-bat/Woodworking/Air1.jpg

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/fox-bat/Woodworking/Air2.jpg

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/fox-bat/Woodworking/Air3.jpg

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/fox-bat/Woodworking/Air4.jpg

[timber715]

nice Software, 2hp rin? next to replace will be the gate valves. not nec now but soon it will give, they seem to have a short lifespan even when you keep them open only. congrats on your new toy. Enjoy:fartysmile1f:

[Software]

2HP din, doon ko nabili sa sinabi mong tindahan, best achiever

[JayL]

Hi guys! Finally...whew that took awhile to read from page 1! I'm glad I found my way here. Very interesting indeed. I learned a lot. Anyway I do have questions if you don't mind. I was contemplating on building myself a compressor for my hobby. I don't require much hp, 1/4hp will suffice. I know Vespa offers one but it is loud and I paint mostly at night due to time constraints. My problem is sourcing the parts locally. I'm in need of the following:

1. A pressure switch (air) - I was able to find a shop that sells one here, I'm from Baguio btw, but the other shop that I went to told me that I could use a switch intended for water, anyway it's just the same. Or is it? Price is almost 2/3 less of that for the air. I need your take on this. Brand suggestions?
2. A pressure regulator+water trap (I've decided to get a similar make and model to what sir timber had installed on page 1) I would probably just change the gauge. Option B would be to buy an air regulator from BR tools then an air filter/drier from Eagle tools...
3. A check valve. 1/4". Thinking of getting one from ebay together with item 2 but if there is a one-stop shop where I can get most of these parts locally then better. Shops in T. Alonzo, Binondo? kept popping up as I read. Problem is I don't know my way around the metro. Hehe Will beseech the help of a friend nalang.
4. Air filter. I saw one here but I forgot the brand. Starts with "S".
5. Pressure gauges. For air.

As for the other parts I already have them (caster wheels, copper tubings, fittings etc). I will be using a ref compressor btw. I just need suggestions on what particular brands are good. I'm not looking for something high-end. But more importantly, a shop where I can get most of the parts once I venture down there. Thanks guys.

You can get most compressor parts here ...

http://www.eyp.ph/search?q=ey+industrial++sales&loc=&vstype=basic&fzq=&x=40&y=8

They have two locations. You want the one in T. Alonzo St.

[JayL]

Nakabili na ko ng compressor

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/fox-bat/Woodworking/Air1.jpg




Did you buy the Goodyear hose and IR Rand ARO filter locally?

[Software]

Did you buy the Goodyear hose and IR Rand ARO filter locally?

ordered online
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[JayL]

ordered online
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Excellent choices in hose and filter. I also purchased the Goodyear rubber hose. If it was a bit lighter it would have been perfect. None the less I just use a short 1/4" leader hose when I use it for spray painting so as to make the gun easier to maneuver..

[JayL]

Reminder : Drain your compressors regularly. :)